Okay I have yet to start a thread to rant and go on and on about the state of the Rockets right now and the way JVG is going about things. After I log on today and read the thread about the trade that we did it just put me over the edge. Here goes some points i would like to make and i think a lot of you guys will agree with some. First off: No matter how i looked at our team after the trade for McGrady i still saw us as a first round exit or maybe second round if we gelled and stuff. I never saw us making a run for a championship or anything like that this year. To me that was a given and i lived with that fact because i knew we had a few young people that would maybe develop and gel together and get some chemistry going. So based on this you would figure that younger guys would be given a chance to step up and gel and all that good stuff right? Well you couldn't be more wrong! Are you honestly telling me that we can continue to get older at every position and expect to go anywhere? We weren't competing for a championship so we should have let our team develop with the younger players we had (ex. Boki) . Instead we use every bit of talent we have on our team in a last minute ditch effort to make it to the same place we would have with the team we have now. The Playoffs. I can understand the aquisitions we made in the past few days if we were actually contending for a championship or more and needed to bring in some gunners and veterans to help us but that is not the case for the Rockets. What young talent or players are we going to be left with when JVG is done with the team? The teams average age is going higher and higher with each move and we aren't even getting players that will help in the position we need. It doesn't make sense to me one bit and i don't now what to think anymore. All the players we have now are not going to be with us in the next few years so how will this team ever have any chemistry under the JVG regim? All the up and coming teams have young players that are developing into the system and getting better as we go through the season. We seem to be the only team that looks like Frankenstien has been wheeling and dealing. Picking up uslelss older parts in hopes to make a run in the playoffs that in reality will not pan out. Who are we kidding? I am a die hard Rockets fan and will be no matter what, but none of you can tell me you thought we would get deep in the playoffs at any time before or during the season. I would rather have had the team gel and get better then keep changing it up and expecting these guys to find some chemistry when we get new players every week that don't help us in the long run. About the recent trade....well we basically traded 2 players for 1 of the same player. In my eyes JJ and Wesley do the same thing shooting wise and age wise they are the same. They could have really got more out of this but again we fail in my eyes.
Let's give it a few games. Maybe Wesley and Barry can transform our offense. There aren't many teams with Yao/Tmac type combos. All we need is an experienced supporting cast. I feel we don't need to develop any young players. Lakers did the same last year.
I'm not optimistic. This is a panic mode move. Wesley can pass better than JJ, but that's about it. JJ is a better all round player and was the only SF on the team. T-Mac can play at the 3 but can you imagine how tough it's going to be for Barry and Wesley to start in the backcourt. We will be torched all season long. What makes me angerier is that we couldn't even get a 2nd round pick in exchange for JJ and Boki.
Stack, I share your frustration and I too am feel the same way about the current situation. The team was put together in this off season was full of holes, now management trying to plug the dyke. The way I see it we are in way too deep of the season to make any meaningful moves. We still have knuckle heads running and coaching our team so any moves would still be a band aid. I hope this off season Les will wake up and realized unless he makes some serious moves at the top, his team won't take a whiff at another championship any time soon. For starter, I want a legit PF, none of the current crap ass marsh mellows disguising as PF invading our team now. A legit point guard that can run the offense , play tough D can penetrate and knock down the J. I want both these new staters to be under 30 year olds, we are building a championship team for years to come not a flash in the pan. I want a solid bench with good shooters, hustle guys, defensive specialist and most impotantly guys who know their roles. Last but not least I want a new coach, admit it Les hired Van r****d was a mistake, you can still make this right so we'll have a legit championship contender. May be then the TC will be filled every night, fans will get excited about Rocket basketball again. Until then I'll just go on watching my beloved Rox . The recent trades brought us Barry and Wesley they're not our saviors but then we suck so badly with our current role players I feel this is an upgrade. So Stack as frustrated as we are I'll bet you'll still go on watch every game they play and root for them to win just like I will.
Yeah I will still be at the games i payed for this year and still watch every game i can on TV and root for them. Just the frustration is at a boiling point for me and the moves don't make sense so that makes it worse. I'm a fan not a bandwagon one so I will be here from the begining till the end. I pay for the right to express my emotions on how the team is run. And i don't like it one bit
I agree, I am becoming increasingly convinced that the destiny of this team is in the wrong hands. I hope Les Alexander reads the BBS, it is the heartbeat of the diehard fans.
The only way Les is going to see it and realize it is through all the backlash from fans like us. Attendance will start going down and with all the money he is shelling out for big name players like Yao and T-Mac he will realize he needs to make some changes in the front office and coaching before we are going to be into the team again. With T-Mac and Yao we should easily get close to selling out games but we aren't even coming close.
I know I'm not a big name on here and nobody probably cares what I think.... But... All this complaining is ridiculous. We are not getting older since JJ and DW are the same age. I wouldn't factor Boki because he was never going to play much for us. Wesley is a great shooter and will complement our roster much more than JJ was this year. The fact is that JJ was having a terrible year until the last game. I like JJ and think he was a good guy but I have no doubt that this trade will improve the Rockets.
You ever hear of Damage control? Im not a conspriacry theroist type person. However, I know that if the Rockets dont put it together and at least eek through to the playoffs then our well loved and always respected GM and Head Coach get personally kicked through the back door by Les. So in essence I believe the 2 trades have been a last hope to save their jobs and the season. I could be wrong but I highly doubt it.
I agree Stack...this trade points strongly to the fact that the people in charge of making these personnel decisions are thinking short-term not long term...the thing that sucks about this current Rocket team and why I think many ppl on this board get so frustrated is because this team is very OLD with not much potential...we obviously have TMAC and Yao as a core but we need better and younger role players so we can develop into a contender if not the NBA champs...rite now we really have no tradeable commodities and i think that it might turn out to be a good thing if we dont make the playoffs this yr so we can get a lottery pick...we need all the young talent we can get and making boneheaded moves like getting rid of nachbar for nothing will lead to mediocrity
I worry that even with a lottery pick JVG won't do anything but run him at the end of the bench and do the same thing that he did to any young player we had on th team
Man, what is the deal with the Boki-worship around here? The Rockets traded Boki for the same reason they didn't pick up his option: Because they decided long ago that he'd never amount to anything more than a 9-12 spot on the bench at the NBA level. He was given many opportunities to show what he was capable of, and he was bad-to-mediocre most of the time. In a perfect world, Boki would've been given a starting spot and 30 or so games to prove whether or not he deserved it. In the real world, though, he was given about 10 minutes per game for a total of 75 games -- and STILL showed next to nothing. I'll be amazed if he shows anything in New Orleans, and my guess is he'll be playing in Europe again in another couple of years. BUSTjan was just another bad 1st-round pick. Now he's gone. Time to get over it.
This wasn't a trhead about Nachbar in general...just any young players that we might have in the system that just ride the pine. You can point to any of them on this team from last year till now. Add Andre Barrett to the list as well.
I will still watch everygame I can, and ofcourse keep following them. But this pretty much sums up my thoughts of the past 6months as a Rockets fan:
How about Kerr and Willis? Barry and Wesley had never been on a team where defense is forced to leave them open much of the times. They know this season could very well make their careers.
What are we going to do in the future? We will have a resigned Yao and Tmac.. Mutombo will be gone. Weatherspoon's useless he's gone. Mo and Howard's contracts are expiring in 3 or 4 years? Wesley gone after next season. Padgett has like ..well it doesn't really matter Bowen 1 season or so right? Barry is gone. Sura is gonna stay for a while..we probably won't resign Barrett..maybeo ffer him a small contract. Ward is injured and is gonna be quite old. We have Badiane and that other Italian dude?Spanioulos..I don't think they're going to be NBA players soon. Sura and Barrett ..cannot shoot we need point guards to shoot. Tmac is a 2. At the 3..we need to get a solid James Posey like guy.. And at the 4..that athletic power forward who can rebound and play defense and have some offensive game.. The bench players..we can always obtain those..it's be nice to build a deep bench though. So somehow we have to acquire some decent players with Tmac and Yao...
