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A Positive Thread - How's that for something new!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OddsOn, Dec 22, 2004.

  1. OddsOn

    OddsOn Member

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    I am not sure how all these negative vibes got started but it is getting very old....

    Lets clear up a few things...

    1. Jeff Van Gundy is NOT trying to make this team the New York Knicks. All of the salary cap problems we currently have can be attributed directly to CD and Rudy T, so stop blaming the current coach for the lack of talent as this is all we can afford. If we had signed a big contract to a free agent and he bombed then the GARM would be filled with those type of negative threads.

    2. Jeff Van Gundy preaches defense and we all know defense wins titles in the NBA. Last year we were ranked as one of the leagues top defending teams. This year is no different. So give it a rest.....ok!

    3. Those of you who claim that JVG doesn't want an up tempo offense are freakin' blind and not being honest with yourself. All you have to do is look at him on the sidelines during the games screaming at his guys to push the ball. Our problem is that we do not have any mobile bigs to make fast breaks more efficient.

    4. The two main reasons we have the record we currently do is a> our inability to rebound consistently and b> our poor shooting percentage. We are getting good quality looks at the basket but the ball is not falling for us. And if we got another dozen or so rebounds in the course of the game well then our chances of scoring go up now don't they....so it really all boils down to the players being smart in their decision making and executing the plays as they should.

    So for a change how about we focus on some positives in the GARM. I don't mind having one FIRE GUNDY thread but when I constantly see new thread pumping the same old crap it gets really old. People "use the search function", its not that hard and add your comments to already existing 10,000+ threads rather then clutter up the GARM with more nonsense just so you can hear read your own posts.

    So here are some positives I have found about the Rockets team this year....

    1. Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming are ranked 9th (23pt) and 33rd (19pt) respectively in points per game average.

    2. Yao Ming is ranked 20th in the league for double doubles with 9.

    3. No individual player on the Rockets is in the top 15 for turnovers per game (thank goodness).

    4. Yao Ming is ranked 17th in the league with 1.64 blocks per game.

    5. Tracy McGrady is ranked 24th in the league with 5.4 assists per game.

    6. As a team we are averaging 20 assists versus 15 turnovers per game (not bad compared to last year..lol)

    7. Our opponents field goal percentages are both below ours (2pt & 3pt) which tells me that if we could increase our rebounds and limit the number of attempts they get we would have a much better record.

    I could come up with some others if I had the time. Like what our record is when we out rebound our opponents (last time i looked it was like 9-1 or something....) Feel free to add your stats here...lol I know you guys are out there.

    Bottom line is everyone wants to win but we also have to be realistic in our expectations and stop believing everything the media is hyping up.....lol When we got T-Mac and gave up so many players I knew we would struggle a bit this year and I also knew that Cato would be our biggest loss (how ironic is that) in the trade due to the rebounding / blocks / defense he brings to the table. We have a stable, smart nucleus to build around in Yao and T-Mac and I for one am glad we are not rushing out and picking up just any players. JVG has certain qualities he likes to have in his players: hustle, team attitude, smart decision making, heart, energy, desire.....etc. The last thing he wants is to bring in a head case "Me" type of guy. From my standpoint we are right on track given the revamped team.

    Oh and since I am on a rant here......for all those who like to brag so much about going to the games and being obnoxious with the anti JVG, anti Rockets stuff......real classy....NOT!!!..lol
     
  2. Dennis2112

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    Great take and I agree completely.

    However, people have every right to express their opinions no matter his emotional it may be. Just because a fan goes negative, does not mean they are not Rocket fans.




    I can't say that I am happy about how we are playing but I can see the problems and hope we start addressing those issues. We have no cap room and no tradable assets. We must find a way to get it done with what we got.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    It's been stated here and elsewhere that the reason why he does this is not to get them to get a fast break or anything, but so they can get into their halfcourt set with more time on the shotclock and run their set plays all the way through and getting a good shot rather than having to rush something up aat the buzzer. Apparently JVG himself has said as much.

    He is apparently NOT trying to urge them to go in and take a quick shot unless of course somebody is wide open underneath; his style is to limit the number of possessions, etc.
     
  4. Mr Boo

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    I think you're right Sam that JVG is pushing for a quicker half court set, but I thought (and I stress thought) I read a quote in the Houston Chron. article where JVG stated he was pushing his team to fast break more or something to that effect.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    Yeah he says that all the time; "sure we should run, why can't we run" But in-game he never appears too concerned when we elect to hold it up and run high screen roll play 1A or whatever.
     
  6. r-fan-since-81

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    Thank you!

    Post of the year.

    Patience is something that 15,750 members of this board need.
     
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    Sweet God that is sooo TRUE!
     
  8. Man

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    Good thread I like this :D

    Yeah JVG always tells them to run up the court..and watching the torrent file of the Raptors game..Jimmy seemed to be running down the court pretty darn fast..hmm maybe the file was just on fast forward lol.

    Defense is definitely very important..which is good. We just need to improve rebounding desperately. And then we have to make our open shots. Patience is the key..oh and hopefully we get some better players soon.
     
  9. edc

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    Jeff Van Gundy was brought in to win and win now.
     
  10. OddsOn

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    So what do you call the screaming and arm swirling on the side lines when the Rockets are not pushing the ball. I heard an interview with Jeff on this and he said that if the situation is there he wants fast break points but that it was not the entire make up of his offense. In other words be smart in selecting your opportunities. Fast breaks start with good rebounding / outlet passes and a guard who can push the ball up the floor, while having his wing and big players trail for the basket. Presently we don't have all those pieces (ie running bigs).
     
  11. Willis25

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    this thread gets a [​IMG]

    I completely agree - I have been critical of the team this year because they can't rebound and they can't hit open shots - but yesterday I posted a poll and over half the people on this board said that HATE Van Gundy -

    People can have their opinions (and I admit he was not my first choice) but he is a well respected coach and the Rockets (and Houston as a city) are highly regarded around the league. I saw a quote from Tmac in the NBA preview magazine for the sporting news (from Sept) where he said that Yao AND JVG were both reasons he wanted to play here.

    I mean, come on people, stop being so paranoid and blindly hating CD and JVG. Just because Skip to my Lou wants to take outrageous jack to play in Canada and Damon Jones holds a grudge against us for cutting him 4 years ago - does not mean that players don't want to play for the Rockets.

    How about this - yes, Jones went to Miami and 'Skip went to Toronto - but CD Also did NOT sign Brent Barry to a heavy contract (SA probably regets that move) NOR did he match the offer for Fisher (who has been ineffective and hurt all season). Sura was a nice piece and gettting rid of Moochie was perfect (even though Spoon doesn't play - at least he still CAN play, if given minutes)
     
  12. Willis25

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    no he wasn't - and stop sounding like a crazy college alumni that expect a national championship every year

    If he was brought in to "win now" then he would have had to make all kinds of off season moves (like signing Fisher for crazy money, etc) - no, this is a lang haul manuever.

    Last year JVG was brought in to get control over a team that was being overrun with young players who feel that going to the superbowl is more important than catching the team flight

    once he did that he was expected to build a team that could win over the lang haul
     
  13. SamFisher

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    I call it him trying to get them to get into their halfcourt offense earlier, like I posted initially, and like somebody else corroborated.

    Anyway, by the time he waves his arms at half court as they are brining the ball up the floor, it is already way too late for them to engage in a traditional fast break.
     
  14. Willis25

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    If Sura and Tmac didn't have to stay back on defense to secure the rebound - I think JVG would let them run (he let Spree and Houston run the break in NY)
     
  15. clove

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    I like everything about your post except for the taunting part.

    As a Rockets fan, it's your job to let them know if they are playing crappy. It only drives them. Houston fans are classy, but classy fans does not help teams win games. I am all for people booing the team, I only hope we can get more people to join. I am sure JVG does too.
     
  16. clove

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    yup. We need a rebounding 4.
     
  17. Cohen

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    The 'hate' threads are now getting 1-2 stars while this one presently has 5.

    I hope this is getting through...
     
  18. rockbox

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    JVG is a jack ass and I hate him more than scottie pippen.
     
  19. LongTimeFan

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    Actually, I don't think that's true. That game that sparked this whole offensive streak (the Sura game) they asked him about the uptempo game they played. He said something to the effect of yes, that's what they would like to do, but you need to play solid defense, get the rebound, make the outlet pass first. I don't think JVG is opposed to running at all, especially when looking back at the last handful of games.

    The Rockets are finally stringing together big quarters, and with the exception of one quarter, have been scoring pretty high in each quarter. I for one find this very encouraging, Bobby Sura's abilities are maximized when he's pushing it up and down. If we didn't have Yao, I'm sure we'd see an even more up-tempo game.
     
  20. Willis25

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    :rolleyes:

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