I saw last week in thread in this forum that there was a possibility that the Rockets may trade for Donyell Marshall? Is that likely? Who would we give up for him?
MoT to the Nets for the TE, and then the TE and JJ or Boki to Toronto for Rose. In a separate deal, the other TE for Marshall??? Essentially Toronto gets either a young bomber in Boki or a solid defensive 3 point shooter in JJ plus cap relief. And we get Marshall and Rose and get to dump Mo.
I wouldn't want Rose. He's going to just be another Taylor, jacking up shots all the time. We need someone who only cares about defense and rebounding, not scoring.
I wouldn't mind Rose. I think his "ball-hogging" is way over rated IMO. He knows how to play on a good team as he did with the Pacers when they went to the Finals. But, more importantly, this team NEEDS a third scorer to go along Yao & TMac. All the top team have, at least, three guys who can get 20+ points any given night (Sac: Peja, Webber, Bibby; SA: Duncan, Manu, Parker; Minny: KG, Sam, Sprewell; etc). If anyone, outside our big 2, gets 20+ points in a game it was because that player had a real good game, not because that player can naturally put up those numbers. We have to have another guy who can punish the defense for collapsing on Yao & Tmac. If we can get BOTH Marshall & Rose then do it, PLEASE!
Hmmm let's see.... Jimmy Jackson PPG 13.2 RPG 4.9 APG 3.4 SPG 1.10 BPG .05 FG% .415 FT% .903 3P% .380 MPG 40.8 vs. Jalen Rose PPG 14.9 RPG 3.4 APG 2.1 SPG .83 BPG .04 FG% .414 FT% .919 3P% .324 MPG 31.2 Here's a great idea! Let's pay Jalen Rose $16 million a year to put up the same or even worse numbers than Jimmy Jackson for less than $3 million a year!! Plus, Jalen's contract is longer than JJ's--EVEN BETTER! Honest to God, you people crack me up. The only thing Rose could bring to the table that JJ doesn't is better ball handling and passing. JJ gets the edge is just about every other category..... Unless better ball handling from the SF spot (who shouldn't need to be handling the ball much in the first place) is worth about $13 a season, bringing in Rose is a terrible idea. Horrible.
why?!!? also not that big on getting marshall, lets stop trying to get stop gap PFs that we know are not the answer and settle this damn thing once and for all. if we are going to get another PF i want it to be a good PF one that we will want around for a long time, no more of settling for a decent PF who might work out, all that is doing is setting us back more and more and delaying the problem of addressing the need and setting it for a long time.
Can we also trade jopatmc for a posted on the Raptors board who will NOT make suggestions that put the Rockets in a worse situation cap wise AND character-wise !? Rose's contract is WORSE than Mo T's and JJ is a steal at $3 million per year.
a drew gooden or troy murphy would be nice. both young players that are good rebounders, can shoot the ball, and in gooden's case run the floor Gooden: 32 min 14 ppg 51% fg 12 reb 1 stl 1 blk 81% ft (stats are trending up lately, have him on my fantasy team) Murphy: 35 min 16 ppg 41% fg 10 reb 1 stl 1 blk 71% ft (44.4% 3pt) Marshall: 24 min 11 ppg 43% fg 6 reb 1 stl 1 blk 77% ft im not saying we can get Murphy or Gooden, because Murphy just signed a long term deal and Gooden is signed for 2 years, i am just saying i'd rather hold out for a player like one of these guys and solve the PF position for a long time then settling for Marshall is 31 and camps out alot at the 3 pt line. we need a PF who can board and help yao out down low the best option may be to do whatever we can to draft a PF this offseason, hopefully we can trade Taylor to New Jersey for their trade exemption to get him off the cap
trading taylor to NJ would be ideal. it would open up room to trade for a PF that we need. holding out for a player like gooden or murphy is only gonna lose us more games. we need help now. marshall is a guy that can give us a few more years. if he likes to camp out by the 3, i don't mind because it opens up the floor and if he is shooting around 40% from there i would like him to keep shooting it for us. he won't ask for a lot this offseason either. we have no tradeable assets. we have to trade for them anyway possible. even a slight improvement is still an improvement. as much as i like guys like murphy, gooden, chandler, etc...we have no way of getting them. we have to aim a little lower right now. i don't even trust CD to use our pick. even if he finds someone usefull JVG won't play him just because he isn't 30+. i would rather see it traded to help us make the playoffs.
MoT-Character? They don't go together. I'm just being realistic about what we can do with his contract. I think it would be an absolute steal if we could get New Jersey to take Mo for their TE and then we could just wait until the offseason. But I really don't see that happening. I don't believe Marshall is the long term answer either but I do think he would be an upgrade over anything we currently have at the 4. The 4 position would still need to be re-examined during the offseason. Sure JJ is a steal at $3. And Rose makes too much money. So does Mo. So does Juwon. But Rose ain't playing with TMac and Yao either. And his minutes are down. I don't know if he would work out here but if we could move Mo, then we could take a chance on a player like that. If you were the GM of any other team in this league, what would you be willing to trade for MoT? It's gonna have to be a problem case traded for another problem case with both sides gambling on a change of scenery to help improve the player they are bringing in.
Look - I never said Mo was a great guy, but Rose makes $14 Million per year (the price of Mo AND Howard) and his contract is just as long as Mo's - so we would have NO money available to "reexamine" the "4 position" in the offseason. If I was a GM in the East, I would not mind taking Mo T (if I only had to give up picks or bench players). If he got 35 mins a night (and 20 shots) going up against the Marc Jacksons and Chris Boshs of the world, he would be a very nice PF (even Howard averaged 17 and 7 last season in the East) I just don't see how getting Rose and giving up a hustle player like JJ helps at all.
After watching tonites game WE NEED TO GET D. MARSHALL .... 15pts 12reb 4blocks 4 assist !! can rebound and shoot the 3's ... reminds me of EDDIE G
Marshall is really a small forward, he can put some impressive stats real quick, but he is a terrible post defender, that's been his reputation ever since his sting with the Warriors. On a second thought, neither Talor, nor Howard is a better defender anyway, so yeh, I don't mind to have him around. At least, he is a better rebounder, and he doesn't need any play calls, he gets his points mostly from working around basket, just like another former Warrior, A. Jamison. As for J. Rose, that's a NO, NO. This guy has been regarded as a "cancer" everywhere he has been, sort of like JJ's prior reputation. The difference is that Rose is making much more money.
