ClutchFans Game Thread: Warriors @ Rockets 12/17/2004

I expect better performance from Tmac. Right now I don't see
he's on par with Kobe. He should be more aggressive, driving
to the hoops and drawing fouls.

 

BTW, who misses Franchise, Mobley, and Cato? At least we had a rockets team that cared about each other back then.

 

fa7999....you seem to pick only the details you want and you seem to circumvent others....Sure the commentators stated times in which T-Mac took an ill-advised shot, but there were many numerous times in which he did the spectacular, the impossible. In the Warriors game (the context in which this whole debate has arisen), the Rockets were able to build a comfortable lead thanks to the overall team effort. Everyone contributed to build that 3rd quarter lead. And like the commentators say, in the 4th quarter, it's T-Mac time, and when Yao's not on the floor (like the 4th quarter), who the hell doesn't expect T-Mac to take over. Our lead margin was so comfortable through most of the 4th that the Rockets didn't need Yao for the mid to late 4th quarter. Don't forget, this is also the first game of a back to back, so why not rest Yao? I watched the whole Rockets game last nite, what I saw was that T-Mac was so effiecent in the 4th quarter, that it allowed Yao to rest up for the next game.

 

All right Tooth, it's obvious to me you see it one way and I see it another. I'll try to keep an eye on your future posts and I hope do so for me as well cause you'll see not all of us are hypocrites.

 

I miss those 3 a lot. They all had a lot of heart.

 

I was directing my comment not only of the Warrior game, but really a trend of how TMac played this season with regularity.

Against Atlanta, TMac was like 5-15 through the first 3 quarters. The same story against Spurs, Charlotte, Dallas. The bottomline is if TMac does not shoot better from the floor in the first 3 quarters or at least consistently, we are not gonna have a decent chance against teams like Miami, Spurs, Suns, Wolves, etc. I am not counting on a regular 13 point/min spurt from TMac any time soon.

 

I must have fallen a sleep last night because just for a moment i thought we had won?

It's always something

 

That's not about right. If the rox was losing, no way tmac would be 'padding stats' while yao sitting on the bench in the 4th quarter. A loss is a TEAM loss and everyone is responsible for it.

And it just doesn't make sense to put the 7'6 big man in the court when your team has already secured the W and you have another game in 24 hours. Well, the reason TMAC is still playing is that 1. JVG wants TMAC to get used to his new role (new system, new teammates, etc.) 2. We need him to actually make sure everything when Yao is taking a rest 3. The all-star balloting...

 

I know that that you're referring to multiple games, but you brought out this 'trend' in the context of the Warriors game thread, so thus it's still within this context. Anyways, we'll just have to see what it's gonna take to bring in a W against good teams. For now, this 'trend' has brought us 4 victories out 5 with the games that you named. So far, based on those percentages, I'll be hoping for this 'trend' every nite.

 

"All right Tooth, it's obvious to me you see it one way and I see it another. I'll try to keep an eye on your future posts and I hope do so for me as well cause you'll see not all of us are hypocrites."

Agreed.


Stevie was great and although I wasn't a member of ClutchBBS at the time I think I was one of the few who didn't want him to be traded. Despite the fact that he had poor shot selection at times Steve had such heart and was the true leader of the Rockets. Ah, good times, good times.

 

You are still missing the point here. Some of the fans do like Rox win, but they are more worried about stats, Yao's stats. They are upset that T-Mac got the chance to "pad" his stats in fourth QT last night, but Yao didn't. So they are complaining T-Mac shooting too much.

Well, speaking of FG%, I have to point out Yao shot 3 of 9 in first two QTs until he made two layups in 3rd to make it 5 of 11 for the night.

And we all know why JVG didn't insert Yao in fourth QT because we have a back to back game today and JVG was worried about Yao's condition and save him for today. You can say JVG think Yao is very very important in that perspective.

Man, we all love Yao. But I just think it is improper to put Yao above everything in a Rox bbs. It makes many other non-YOF comfortable. You should do it in yaomania or other forums that are only devoted to Yao himself.

 

I see with your points. But aren't you one of the biggest critics of Yao's stats?

I am ok with Tmac taking a lot of shots. He's our best player.
But he should be more aggressive to warrant the Kobe
comparison. Right now I'll take Kobe any day basketballwise,
must like Amare over Yao offensively.

 

Yeah, I feel the same too, and it kinda hurts double cause right now, it seems like the Rockets are still searching for a strong leader and neither Yao nor Tracy seem to really want to take that role. I too, didn't want Francis to leave. But I guess I couldn't have my cake and eat it too (sigh...I'm imagining a Francis, T-Mac backcourt with Yao in the middle) Cheers!

 

I want TMac taking 25 shots a game. I don't care whether he is hot or not. I'll take my chances with him shooting 25.

I want Yao taking 20+ shots a game. I don't care whether he is hot or not. I'll take my chances with him shooting 20+.

I want Bob Sura to push the ball and look for his shot until the defense starts collapsing on him and leaving TMac and Yao one on one or another wide open shooter.

If this had been a tight game, I would have still wanted TMac shooting the ball at the end of the game. He finished this poor shooting game at 12/25, 48%.

The players that should have strict limits on their shots based on whether they are hot or not, are players like Lue, JJ, Juwan, and MoT. Van Gundy should pull them as quickly as he used to pull Boki if Boki missed a shot or two.

 

Does anyone have clips of TMac's alleyoops and MoT's fastbreak dunk?

 

All right, if TMac can take 20 shots and knock down 5 and let Yao and the rest of the team to save his ass for 40 minutes, and TMac singlehandedly win us the game within the last 8 min of the 4th quarter against a slew of good teams, I will shut up.

 

TMac is averaging about 20 shots/game this season, while Yao is getting 12.8 shots/game.

Unless your name is Shaq, no other current player in the league can average 20 ppg by talking 12.8 shots a game.

 

Yeah, I know. Yao needs more shots. By the way, TMac is not going to consistently take 20 shots and knock down 5 and the rest of the team carry him. Even if he does once in a while, I'll still take that. I'd rather have him launching than Lue or Bowen or JJ or anybody else.

 

Here is a quote which may speak louder than a plain stat sheet(from warriors' website):

Mike Montgomery

On the Rockets play

"Yao Ming changed a lot of things inside. Sura had a heck of a game. He almost had a triple double."

 

yea....and even tho some of the people in here still are making me sick to my stomache with their whining.....I will post them for the rest of yall to enjoy. No sense penalizing everyone for the stupidity of some rabid Yao fans.

Ill post them later today...probably in a couple of hours...I have some family stuff to take care of.


RE: Yao padding vs TMac padding.

it boils down to this boys.......Yao needs to save his strength for the next game that is occuring within 24 hours of the last one....Tmac can handle playing heavy minutes, Yao cant.

Tmac turned it on in the 4th to ensure the Warriors didnt come back suddenly...Im perfectly ok with that. Yao had done his damage early, and sat to conserve his energy...Im also ok withthat.

Stats dont mean jack crap.....if you want Yao to wear himself out just to shut up some ppl on a freaking internet BBS...you are the worst kind of worthless fan.

Winning is all that matters when it comes down to it....most real basketball fans can watch that game and see the impact that Yao made onthe game...it doesnt matter that he didnt hit 20....he changed many shots, helped his team get many rebounds, and made the shots and passes he needed to....he was just as important to this win as Tmac and Sura.

If you are so insecure in your fandom that you cant live with that fact.....then say so now, so I can put you on my ignore and save me from having to read your worthless posts.

toothyanker, ivanwhatever and fa7999, im looking at you losers especially...tho you arent the only offenders.