Shaq is a complete idiot

Good point Cat. I think the best thing to compare Shaq-fool to is the Elephant, for the Elephant is one of the biggest creatures on the earth, yet the ratio of it's brain to it's body weight is the lowest of any living thing. I thought it was interesting that Costas and Collins were bringing up the possibility of the NBA changing the rules to cater to Shaq's inability to make a freaking foul shot. Is this why Wilt was so great? Is this what people mean when they say that Wilt forced rule changes to be made because he was so dominant? Well, Shaq-fool is so great, the NBA might have to change the rules, because their meal ticket can't make a freaking foul shot. I applaud Mike Dunleavy for having the balls to expose the NBA and NBC's poster child (team). There will surely be consequences for the "Chicken Man".

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The Cat, perhaps you don't realize that even though Shaq only makes 50% of his free-throws, opposing are gettin over the limit very quickly hacking shaq. That in turn benefits his teammates.

Contrary to what you and The Freak think, I think the Lakers will win the series. Homecourt advantage, Shaq in his prime, Blazers having no leader, will be the main downfall of the Blazers. Mark my words.


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Hmmm... let's see, if they foul Shaq every time he has the ball, and he makes 50% or so of his free throws, then doesn't it translate to 50% field goal (assuming every time he takes a shot when he has the ball) percentage? Not too bad, right?

The Blazers didn't get it. It is OK to foul Shaq when the game is on the line, but don't foul him every time he has the ball.

Sailor

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hey u all leave the freakin big aristotle alone

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Maybe I just don't understand what you're saying, but if Shaq is hitting 50% of his FT's, how does that translate to hitting 50% of his FG's? If he goes to the line 10 times and hits 5 times, that's 50%. If he shoots 10 FG's and hits 5 times, that's 50%. But the difference is 5 FG's = 10 pts, and 5 FT's = 5 points.

It's late, maybe I'm just not gettin' what you're trying to say.

Not exactly true. Fouling Shaq every time like that *can* work. The problem was that the Blazers couldn't convert on their end. Fouling Shaq does two things. Lets him have a brickfest from the line, but possibly more importantly, stops the clock. Had the Blazers been able to convert and Shaq not get "hot" for about 6-7 FT's in a row, that strategy would've worked. Don Nelson used that against Shaq earlier in the season when the Mavs played them.


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I also think Shaq's stupidity is shown with his quotes . "The Big Aristotle", ask him how to spell that, reading a quote from Aristotle doesn't mean anything. The league is really feeling the loss of Barkley's microphone charisma.

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Dr of Dunk:

Let's see:
Scenario 1: Shaq makes 50% field goals.
Say Shaq has the ball 10 times, and shoots the ball every time, making 50% of them, then he will make 5 shots = 10 points.

Scenario 2: Shaq make 50% free throws.
Say Shaq has the ball 10 times, and each time he has the ball he is fouled. So he goes to the line 10 times, attempting *20* free throws and making half of them (10) = 10 points.

Got it?

My point is: you can't afford to foul a guy every time he has the ball even if he is a 50% FT shooter.

Sailor

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I gotcha. I was wondering what the heck you were talking about. But I still gotta disagree. That stretch was more than just about the odds of making a FT. It was about letting Phil and Shaq know that in a close game, we're going to force Shaq to shoot FT's. Not only that, but as I said, it stops the clock. That's one thing you're completely forgetting about in your Scenarios above. When you're playing catchup with time running out, stopping the clock is as important as anything. Of course, they also didn't capitalize on it, which screwed it up. When you're down 15 or whatever it was with 3-5 minutes left to play, fouling Shaq and forcing him to hit "freebies" isn't as difficult to swallow as trying to overcome that defecit with the clock running. That fact that Shaq's FT is 50% is why you probably should foul the crap out of him.

In Summary :
If 50% FG = 50% FT, then choose 50% FT because it also stops the clock in a comeback situation.

Got it?
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[This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited May 21, 2000).]

 

Also, the mental aspect cannot be ignored. When he missed like 6 or 7 ft's in a row, there's no question fear was filling the Laker bench. If Portland actually did capitalize on the other end, and make it through the Laker's D for some points, things would have been getting hairy. Did you hear how the crowd roared when he made those 6 in a row after missing six? They went nuts. The momentum totally changed.

If he had kept missing, and if the Blazers had caught up, or God forbid won, it would have been absolutely crushing. Shaq would have been completely and utterly ridiculed by every writer and fan in the NBA. The Lakers fans would turn on him. And publicity and image really matter to this guy. The opportunity to mentally crush Shaq is delicious. I think Dunleavy ought to try it again.

 

I thought Kobe was the NBA's meal ticket? Or was that Vince?

I think Shaq is right. That is a respect to his game because that is the only way teams feel they can at least slow him down.

I think its time to stop bashing Shaq. All the guy does is play hard. Isn't that what you look for in a player? And if he was on the Rockets, wouldn't you just love him to death and say that he is getting disrespected because he is in Houston?

What if all of a sudden the NBA allows the players to go back to more holding and grabbing and even the handcheck to try and stop players like Francis? Is that a respect of his game or NBC/NBA trying to keep a small market city down? Or will it ever happen once Francis becomes the new breed of NBA players it is heavily marketing? In a few years when Francis becomes virtually unstoppable and other players start whining that they can't even touch him without getting a whistle, are you all going to come in here and b**** and moan or is that ok because he is on our team?

All this meal ticket/NBA favoritism/conspiracy crap is old and tired. Give Shaq credit for his skill and game and stop whining about the "NBC meal ticket" or how much the Lakers are on television. Between 1992-1996, they were hardly on at all just because they sucked. We were on 10 times or so during our championship run PER YEAR and nobody whined about that. The Bulls are never on anymore. Its all a cycle.

I say leave the Shaq alone and give him his due. Francis doesn't sound too smart during interviews, does he?

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I think Shaq wouldn't be as cocky if Portland hadn't lost its focus in the 2nd period. The Laker bench was raining threes (i don't expect that to happen again) and dunleavy made some questionable rotation changes...

Anyway... I don't expect "Aristotle" (does he even know who Aristotle is?) to repeat that feat in soemone else's building. They were ALREADY winning the game and the LA crowd was behind him when he made those free throws.

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I'm with Almu. Shaq is unstoppable, and I'd love it to death if he was a Rocket.

Anyone read that article in the Chronicle about the '92 draft? It talked about we could have gotten Shaq had we won the lottery.

Could you imagine if Shaq came here and played with his idol? Imagine how much better Shaq might be if he learned from Dream. In that scenario, he might truly be the next Wilt.

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It had nothing to do with needing to slow down Shaq-fool. It was a matter of having to stop the clock, as well as not giving the Lakers a high-percentage shot. Had Dennis Rodman, Chris Dudley, Bo Outlaw, or any other sub-.500 free throw shooter been on the floor instead of O'Neal, the same strategy would have been used, and it would have had nothing to do with needing to slow down that player on offense. In that event, I don't think Bo Outlaw would come out after the game and say that the other team respects him so much, that they had to foul him repeatedly to stop him. Similarly, when Shaq-fool's coach takes him out of a close game with little time remaining (like Jackson has done), it is for fear that he will miss a big free throw that will cost his team the game, not because "the coach respects his game, and knows that the other team can't stop him, so why even let them try".

"I think its time to stop bashing Shaq. All the guy does is play hard. Isn't that what you look for in a player?"

I think it's time to stop bashing Karl Malone, all the guy does is play hard. I think it's time to stop bashing John Stockton, all the guy does is play hard. Vernon Maxwell plays hard. JR Rider plays hard when he's on the court. I think people should stop bashing these guys.

"And if he was on the Rockets, wouldn't you just love him to death and say that he is getting disrespected because he is in
Houston?"

Ditto Malone. Ditto Stockton. Ditto Rider. Everyone in this BBS would love them, too. We all pick our own players to root against. Shaq-fool is as good as any other.

Uh, not sure where the conspiracy thing came from, I'll have to assume you're referring to my bringing up that the NBA WILL do something about Dunleavy's strategy in Game 1, and will not let it continue. There may not be anything they can do about it before this series is over, but they will do something, you can be sure of that. There will be rules instated, now or in the future, to stop this from happening (or they will instruct the refs to not call the foul, or make it a flagrant, etc.). That is just common sense, not a conspiracy theory. The fact that it's happening to the Lakers and Shaq-fool, makes it all the more important for the league to stop (you can't have the team you're trying to push down audiences' throats look bad, if at all possible). The NBA is a business, and if they or NBC sees that audiences are being turned off by this parade to the free throw line, they will do something about it.

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Uh...OK.

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i agree with the original statement that he is an idiot....

the guy is a dumb animal..it just so happens that he is a 7 foot specimen of a dumb animal...

in another country he would be a freak show...

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The Cat,

You missed his best quote about the hack-a-Shaq strategy:

“It’s a homage to my game,” he said, obviously enjoying the word. “That’s what you can call me — the big homage.”

"the big homage"?! Somebody buy the boy a dictionary.

Hey, but what do I know? I'm still trying to figure out the Pythagoreon theorem. Now what was that? a-squared + b-squared equals . . . uh . . .

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As Shaq said, "I'm like the Pythagorean theorem, no one has an answer". He ought to visit a few jr. highs. I'm sure some of the elite teenage thinkers in those schools can help him out.

BTW, that has to qualify as one of the biggest, "I'm an idiot, but I'll try to act intelligent just once" quote. No one has an answer to the Pythagorean theorem... ugh. How thick-skulled can you be? Stick to dunking and being big Shaq, it's your calling in life.

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