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Nobody complained when the Rockets won two championships!!!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OddsOn, Dec 6, 2004.

  1. OddsOn

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    With all this talk about the Rockets half court offense and JVG's system of going inside out I took some notes from old game footage I have recently watched from the championship years. Here is what I found....

    1. The offense that JVG is trying to instill is EXACTLY the same as the one used by the two Rockets Championship teams. Almost to a T (with the exeception of us not having Hakeem anymore......lol) Bring the ball up the court, dump it into the low post, let the defense react and either shoot it from down low or pass it out for the wide open jumber.

    2. The Rockets did run the floor in fast breaks but only on offensive turnovers from the other team or rebounds from bad shots when the opportunity was there. This is EXACTLY the same way JVG is always screaming at his guys to do it.

    3. We used to score well over 100 points in each game we played and usually held our opponents to less then 100 due to our tremendous defense. This EXACTLY the style of play JVG is preaching and trying to get his players to follow.

    4. Our offensive rebound numbers sucked back then because it was usually the center or power forward who took the shot and the other big was clearing out which left nobody in position to get a rebound if the shot was missed. We were typically near the bottom of the league in off. reb. stats.

    5. We did have guys who could drive the lane like Vernon, Sam, and Kenny the Jet, but that was not our primary offensive set. It was more of a plan B if the defense collapsed down on the ball.

    6. We did have a much better power forward in Otis Thorpe then we do presently. And that probably makes a big difference....

    I could go on with similarities and I was actually surprised as to how many there were...lol Time makes you forget the details I guess. My point here is that nobody complained a damn bit when those teams ran almost the exact same offense to perfection, or maybe we did and just did not have the BBS to gather it all in one place. Winning cures all ills in the sports and perhaps there should be more responsibility put on the players here rather then the coach. Coaches usually have a system they follow (at least the good ones do) and for a good reason. They put players in who fit the system and are willing to follow it to the letter. Phil Jackson didn't change the triangle offense for the Bulls or LA did he? So cut JVG some slack and start to critique some of our players who consitently miss wide open jump shots. If we make those shots then we would have a great winning record right now.

    Another option would be to have the genetic engineers simply clone us another Hakeem then our world would be right....lol
     
  2. codell

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    zone defenses

    thats why you can't compare what won 10 years ago to what wins now
     
  3. snowmt01

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    Plus players cant shot nowadays. If we made 45% of wide open
    jumpers, no one would dare to double-team Yao without ball.
     
  4. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    Agreed. The zone has killed stong post play, not to mention we had a much better low post player (Hakeem) and Otis was a strong at running the pick and roll which it seems like none of the current team understand.
     
  5. edc

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    (1) The championship "Inside Out" game worked because it was tailored to Olajuwon and the guards. It was NOT a slow-down, "limit the number of posessions" snooze-fest.

    (2) There is nothing wrong with "having a system" (unless it is Van Gundy's ;), but you have to make allowances for your talent. The Bulls and the Lakers both ran the Triangle, but there were significant differences. One team had no center, the other had Shaq.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    I think we scored something like 101 points a game (10th in the league I think) with that offense in 1994.
     
  7. Willis25

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    one problem with those who want to run

    ... we can't run if we can't get defense rebounds
     
  8. JunkyardDwg

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    Hakeem...

    Yao is no Dream
     
  9. gucci888

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    LMAO, thanks oddson, I needed the laugh.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    yea. . his whole rant is HYlarious

    Rocket River
     
  11. Jeff

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    Actually, the Rockets averaged over 100 points per game that season.
     
  12. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    Yeah, I think they're laughing at the point that JVG wants the exact same thing for our team.
     
  13. tinman

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    Jeff,
    who lead that team (93) in assists and three pointers?
     
  14. mfgarza

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    For the most part, the Rockets troubles shouldn't all be attributed to JVG. He can't go out there and make hustle plays, get rebounds and block shots. We just don't have a athletic team or players that play w/passion. There's no excuse for playing 29 minutes and not getting one rebound. I'm sure if we could get rebounds consistently we'd run a bit more often like those old Rocket teams. I think before we give up on him, we should try and acquire some hard nosed players and see if that turns things around.
     
  15. OddsOn

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    There is no rant here just observations....:)
     
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    (1) These are the players Jeff Van Gundy wanted.
    (2) This team is a virtual clone of his Knicks team.
    (3) Given [1] and [2], what reason is there to expect change?
     
  17. mfgarza

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    well Mo was already here and Juwan probably had to be included the trade to make it work. Who knows what happens behind the scenes but I would guess the Rox didn't want to part w/Cato.
    Jimmy was probably a player JVG wanted. And other than commiting stupid turnovers, he's done a decent job. But bottom line is that he is a 33 year-old shooting guard playing small forward. He would be a great backup. And we still don't have a legit point guard. I wasn't crazy about getting Ward, that's probably on JVG. Our team does have alot of holes. I think a PF who could rebound and block shots would make a big difference in that all those little plays add up and usually add up to more wins.
     
  18. mfgarza

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    Not to put everything on Mo but he's had at least 4 coaches in his career and has never rebounded. No matter who would be brought in, Mo probably wouldn't rebound. And no matter who would replace JVG, I don't think Yao would all of sudden the dominant defensive presence he should be at his size. Again, I'm not excusing JVG for our problems but we just need more players; more atlheticism and height.
     
  19. Jeff

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    Kenny Smith lead them in assists. Vernon Maxwell led them in three's made and attempted, but Smith actually led Maxwell in percentage by a pretty wide margin (45 percent to 33 percent). Techincally, Winston Garland had a higher percentage than Smith for the team, but he only attempted 13.
     
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    i stopped reading after "exact same offense"
     

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