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Democrats -THIS is how you win

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Oct 9, 2025.

  1. Amiga

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    You didn't. But don't put me up there as a smart poster. People are stupid in many ways, and I'm not immune to it.

    Social media was literally in your post.
     
  2. astros123

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    Of course she would've. Go look at polling numbers in early 2024. Biden had a 80%+ approval rating with democrats in early 2024 according to Gallup. You had a "none of the above" option that people want to ignore in many state primaries and Biden still secured 85%+ of the vote.

    Vance hardly won his senate race in the heavily leaning republican state of Ohio by a merely few points but he's the overwhelming favorite to win the nomination in 2028 cuz of incumbency.

    I don't think Biden should've ran for re election obviously but nothing would've changed.
     
  3. El_Conquistador

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    LOL, Trump is probably in the 140 IQ range -- Harris I'd estimate more like 90. Those are realistic assessments.
     
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    Lol @ Trump being in the 140 range. This is why the entire world laughs at you dumbasses. I sincerely can't imagine the brainrot you must have to even type that
     
  5. Salvy

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    Personally I think perhaps maybe try being more ethical, grounded and having a common sense approach instead of solely focusing on attacking Trump and embracing lunacy is a start.

    Don't get me wrong, we need opposition... We need different mind sets and we need to be open towards creating a better world but the corruption stemming from the depths of The Democrat party straight reeks.

    A more centrist approach with wise moral men and women could be the start of the Democrats reset. But their current direction is plagued with highly corrupt hypocrites gnashing their teeth for power.
     
  6. Salvy

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    Trump is very old, he is out of touch. A young Trump was for sure an extremely high IQ person, much higher than any current Democrat today. While I don't think he is as sharp as even 2016 Trump the wisdom is still there. Sometimes that's more important.
     
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    140 means he's in the top 1% of all humans. Obama taught constitutional law and graduated at the top of his class from Harvard and nobody will claim he has a 140 IQ. You cultists don't have to worship Trump it just sounds utterly pathetic
     
  8. Salvy

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    It's not worshipping Trump but you also can't deny how incredibly well spoken and intellectual Trump was at a young age. Because you hate him does not erase history. To accomplish everything he has takes a lot of smarts. Show me a Democrat today this smart and well spoken.

     
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    Have you ever heard a younger Obama? Dude literally taught at one of the best universities in the world for over a decade. He's easily the smartest president we've had in modern history. The buttom line is nobody would claim Obama has a 140 IQ cuz that's a ridiculous claim to make. Stop worshipping politicians it's pathetic
     
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    That is a lie. . . .she has not been asked.
    James has not reached out to her

    Question: If Jasmine had won . . .. how many James supporters would have voted for her?
    Just curious because i see. ALOT MORE OF THEM voting republican or sitting out than black. folx IMO
    They could not come out for Kamala but mad when the shoe is on the other foot.

    Talarico and the Democrats taking the black vote for granted
    They feel like they can consistently f over black people and put them at the back of the agenda
    and still get the vote. . . .so why talk to us. . . . .
    better to spend more time and effort and MONEY trying to convert republicanns
    and maybe a few latinos.

    They are so use to it. . . that black people saying "EARN OUR VOTE" feels like betrayal
    "WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT??!?!? AT LEAST WE NOT THE OTHER GUYS!!" - Democrats

    Rocket River
     
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    Trump's achievements are in the top 0.00000001% of people to ever walk on the earth. Business, TV, politics -- achieving success in any one of those is a significant accomplishment. All three? That's next level.

    Obama was a DEI hire with charisma (when reading from a teleprompter). No accomplishments outside of politics, which the media carried him to his role and played defense for him while in office. Obama also got a DEI-affirmative action boost to transfer from Occidental College (where he started college) to Columbia. Nothing special.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    I said show me a Democrat TODAY that is as smart and intellectual as young Trump, you cannot....... As for Obama he was always meh to me, I see you worship him very much thou. As I stated earlier, Trump is much older now but in his younger years he was incredibly smart. Time stops for no one, Trump is no longer who he used to be but even in his late age he has somehow managed to destroy The Democrat's politicians and propaganda machine. This is historical and we are currently living in an age that will be taught in the history books many many years when we are gone.
     
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    facts…and black people will still go out and vote for him at the end of the day because the moment we’re in is understood

    meanwhile a white leftist would gladly sit on their ass or vote for some useless 3rd party because the Dem candidate isn’t perfect then start crying about the MAGA they let win after the election is over…if things get bad enough, they’ll start talking about how they’ll just move to another country :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    Pete Buttigieg - Seeing how he actually served in the military . . . I would also say he is braver
    Kamala Harris - Her resume says it all

    YoungTrump didn't do anything but be a pedophile, bankrupt companies and rape women
    What is his greatest accomplishment as a young man . .. taking his daddy's money and build some buildings?
    Negotiate with people . . .who negotiated in good faith . . .and then broke the deal and not pay them
    or - Maybe being a slum . . .or a building owner who discriminated against minorities?
    What is your proof how his historic intellect?

    Rocket River
    Him being president is more about his followers lack of intellect than his genius
     
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    As someone licensed to administer a wide range of cognitive and mental health assessments, my guess, while recognizing that I can’t draw conclusions without evaluating him personally, is that Donald Trump would likely score in the top 0.1% on the MMPI.
     
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    LOL, at these liberals being unable to separate their politics from real world situations. If Trump is so dumb and psychologically challenged, then why is he so successful? How did he become a billionaire real estate investor and manager? How did he have a long running, highly successful TV platform? How did he get elected as President? Surely you can acknowledge that the man has achieved extraordinary things. People of average intelligence cannot complete a single one of these achievements.

    No one has a spotlight on him at all times like Trump. He has to be on-guard at all times, and that can weigh on a person as it's mentally taxing. Any mistake and the global media pounces. They tried to throw him in prison for life, bankrupt him, de-platform and censor him online, even murder him. He shook all of that off and continues to lead the country and the world. It's astonishing what he has achieved with unimaginable opposition. I am amazed at his psychological strength, to endure all these investigations, trials, the pressures of the public spotlight and the most stressful job in the world, and a hostile media 24/7 for 10+ years straight. That's actually incredible.


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    Hey Grandpa, plenty of people who seek the political spotlight would likely score high on measures associated with psychopathic traits. He’d probably just score even more “bigly” high.
     
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    I'm not so sure. Before Biden dropped out, Kamala's overall approval numbers with the entire electorate were just as dismal as Biden's. And she did nothing during her Vice Presidency to distinguish herself, maybe through no fault of her own given her "assignments." Nonetheless, I think the party establishment would have come together to unite around another more electable candidate, just like they did to stop Bernie in 2016 and 2020.
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    This thread separates out the really dumb democrats.
     
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    Kamala was the nominee because anyone else would have had to re-start campaign funding at $0 - as the VP nominee on the Biden ticket, only she was legally allowed to use the funds already raised. Unfortunately, lots and lots of money is necessary to run a capable (let alone excellent) campaign, and our Supreme Court has done everything it can to cement that into our electoral process. Thus, a new candidate in the summer of 2024 would have needed to focus on raising enormous amounts of dollars, much of which is accomplished by meeting privately with big money donors.

    So instead of getting out to meet voters, the new candidate would have spent a significant portion of the remaining 2024 election cycle begging for money behind closed doors, instead of getting out and meeting voters on the ground. Meanwhile, the seemingly invisible candidate would have faced a Trump blitzkrieg of negative ads. This was a scenario that would have sunk even the best and most inspirational candidate. All in all, voters may have preferred the opportunity to pick Biden's replacement (which Biden should have enabled by not running again) but once he was out, making Kamala the candidate was the only logistically sound decision.

    As for Talarico, the polls during the primary made it clear that the black vote was going almost entirely to Crockett. As a result, he focused his efforts on the voting populations still in play. Any smart candidate would have done the same, but unfortunately, a number of "influencers" on social media have intentionally and loudly misrepresented this wholly strategic decision as something more nefarious. Crockett has exacerbated this by a number of passive-aggressive comments to the press that suggest her lack of enthusiasm for Talarico. The end result appears to be a somewhat dispirited black voting population and in a tight race, that could be the difference between a Talarico victory and a Paxton victory.

    I feel for Crockett because she was definitely one of the reps intentionally targeted in the Trump-directed redistricting. Once it became clear she no longer had a district, she pivoted to run for what was probably the most logical alternative to her Congressional seat. Unfortunately, she ran up against a number of obstacles (in no particular order):

    1) her last minute entry into the primary
    2) an opponent who had the benefit of 6 extra months of campaigning and with a strong ground game
    3) her own rather puzzling decision not to set up a robust campaign team
    4) racism / sexism (in particular - among other examples - the claim from a different subset of social media influencers that Texas won't elect a black woman)

    I don't want to underestimate #4, but it's not the whole story to her loss, and it definitely wasn't something that I observed either Talarico himself or his campaign try to exploit. Ultimately, there just aren't enough black voters in Texas to be king-makers by themselves - they will always need to caucus with other, large Democratic voting bases, who will have their own preferences for candidates. In this election, more voters preferred Talarico to Crockett.

    Personally, I was equally enthusiastic about Crockett and Talarico and would have happily accepted either as the Democrat candidate for US Senate. It was my impression that many Democrat voters felt the same way, but at the end of the day, you can only choose one candidate and unfortunately for Crockett, Talarico edged her out. I genuinely hope she realizes she can have a bright future as a Texas Democrat (we all want her to run against Cruz) but if she continues to throw shade toward Talarico in the press, she may find that Texas Democrats will always prefer someone else.
     
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