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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jul 6, 2026 at 12:25 PM.

  1. InTheGroove

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    Acknowledged, 610 In the Loop @ 1:05pm today…
     
  2. Htown Stros

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    What’d you want him to say? They all suck and we are desperate?

    I can guarantee you he doesn’t like what he sees right now.
     
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    Echoes of:"Check back of the baseball card" and "is it just not our year?" Houston GMs sippin too much kool aid lol
     
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    And pitcher injuries are up in general. But the Astros have been at the forefront of the movement for years. So it's not surprising that they've suffered more injuries than most.
     
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    Not sure what's gotten into you, but no, they have much more in common than just bat speed. The same things I already mentioned.

    Not sure why the ignoring.

    The point was what's happening currently. Wood's production and projection are far greater than Cam. Wood is playing so well, he's outperforming a 1st overall pick.... Top 5 MVP finish by age 23. Cam's 2nd season has been very underwhelming. He can still reach great heights and fans are hoping he does, but he hasn't improved, especially considering Wood over his career.

    Props to Cam's defensive prowess.
     
  6. Htown Stros

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    That’s fair but a couple of guys like Wesneski and Walter didn’t even couple up with the Astros and were injured very quickly.

    Point being, we’ve definitely had some bad luck.
     
  7. Htown Stros

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    They have different hitter profiles at this point, James Wood is 3 inches taller so not sure how they are similar sized, and one of the two is terrible defensively while the other is great. Hell, they don’t even hit from the same side of the plate. So besides their age, I really don’t agree that they “have a lot in common”.

    We can agree to disagree.
     
  8. Chilly_Pete

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    There are too many problems on this team and not enough trade chips to fix them.
     
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  9. Nook

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    The Astros have emphasized spin rate and torquing since at least 2016 and there were not any complaints about excessive injuries until the last few years. Last year the Astros had catastrophic injuries to their pitching staff after not having anywhere near that degree of injuries for the prior 7-8 years. So either the Astros had amazing good luck that lasted for like 100 months --- or the Astros had very bad luck last season.

    There is no question that spin rate and torque put stress on arms and can cause injuries - but the Astros are far from the only organization to focus on it, and the Astros have never had injuries to pitchers like they had for like an 18 month period of time.

    So I personally do think that bad luck played a big part in last season and this seasons collapse in quality of starting pitching.
     
  10. Nick

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    Starting pitching... and being unable to develop or keep starters healthy.

    The rest of the team is no better or worse than most of the AL. The starting pitching is near last in all the important categories.
     
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    Jerry Jones lite, sadly.
     
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    Size is more than height. You know that. Ten pound difference. Both players are above average for MLB.

    Position, even considering DH
    Speed, both stealing well for their size
    Age, 5-month difference

    Those are far more similar than you're letting on.

    The biggest difference is offense... even more so than defense.

    Cam's offense has been very underwhelming, but there's still hope.
     
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    Yes it's about the surrounding corresponding moves, maybe more than these individual deals alone

    Correa this season would be ranked #6 in 3rd baseman OPS (Above Paredes, well above Bregman). Correa's problem of course, is availability. He isn't peak Correa, though performance relative to the league and his contrat, he's still decent value

    Yes Hader is a high cost at lower priority position. Though most of the league's starting pitchers around Hader's yearly pay are not doing so well. 3 of 4 are at Tigers version Framber level. So simply using Hader's money on another position isn't a surefire guarantee either. At least Hader is the RIGHT choice closer, top 3 closer performance and a tradable asset

    With Imai, Japanese acquisitions have the best success of internationals. Imai might be one of the rare Japanese busts even. But the unconventional Japanese marketing move is actually a bit of safer move. Cant argue with the logic, just the actual choice in player

    No it's not ideal roster construction. But it's maybe a higher miss rate in the other moves. Some not entirely Dana Brown's fault. Lot of Crane over-rule moves. (Drafted players though, Dana needs to deliver)
     
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    Wood had -7 OAA last season and is already at -4 OAA this season. He’s been deep into the negatives on defensive WAR on Fangraphs these past two seasons. His future as he ages is almost certainly going to be at DH.

    Meanwhile, Cam has been one of the best defensive RF this season and this is after never playing the position until last season. Wood came up through the minors playing OF. There’s a real chance Cam could be an above average CF at this level.

    The gap defensively between the two might be as large as the gap offensively.
     
  15. Castian Crew

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    Seattle loses.... Texas about to take their place
     
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    I used to be a big Dana supporter.

    Not so much now. Looks like he's just a great scout to me.
     
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    The entire response focused on defense when multiple other similarities were mentioned. LOL

    So, you have two 23 y/o, above average-sized RFs (or DH) who can steal bases -- unique, parallel qualities by both players.

    Welcome to Similar-ville

    There was never a reason to jump in with , "other than 23, they're different". That is a silly response and patently false.
     
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    Wood is the better player and will have the better career by far.
     
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    Astros 2.0 behind ARL with ARL on deck.

    We've had great success vs Rangers this year, so we'll see. Hunter and Lambert (the only reliables, smh) are on deck too. A sweep equals 500, but I'd take a 2-1 victory right now -- hopefully a +5 differential along with it.
     
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  20. Castian Crew

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    I'm prepared for disappointment but I'll root for the 2-1 series win. Let us prey! :)
     

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