[Iko] Rockets willing to listen to offers for Durant, Sengun

Brunson never had the glaringly obvious holes in his game that Sengun and Amen do. His worst 3 point percentage for a season was literally 35% as a rookie. His 3rd season was 50/40/79. He was always a good shooter, he's just kinda small so he got overlooked.

Amen is a 5th year pro and didn't improve - not only did he not improve he regressed overall. He is the killer of spacing. He is why KD and Sengun were so easily double teamed. Yep, he can run fast and jump high .... if he could .... He would.



I do agree, Amen is a very good piece, but I'm not anywhere close to the Amen is untouchable camp. If there is a deal out there that gives us a shot at a young centerpiece and he's what it takes to get the deal done, Amen should be gone yesterday.

 

5th year?

 

My phone is open if Sabrina Carpenter wants to call.

 

False.

They are both 5th year pro's.

OTE was a professional league where Amen spent 2 seasons.

 

I don't think Amen is untouchable, but I don't think we'll get adequate value back if we trade him. At a bare minimum, I'd want something like a top 5 draft pick, or a prospect with comparable value to a top 5 draft pick who isn't damaged goods. Amen is too proven, too valuable, and still has too much remaining potential to give him up for anything less.

I might give it some thought if we were talking Cam Boozer, Darryn Peterson, VJ Edgecombe, Kon Knueppel, etc... but those franchises aren't going to send us those guys for Amen, which is why a deal like that isn't going to happen.

To put it more succinctly: Amen was the #4 pick in a pretty good draft and I do not believe his value has gone down since then, and it might actually have gone up.

 

I really think it’s wild that people don’t think that Thompson played better last year. He might’ve played less impactful defense, but he played the most minutes in the NBA and pretty much gives a max effort. He had a shift in his responsibilities.

I think that he improved a lot. It is so odd that people think he didn’t get better at all.

I would generally apply the same to Jabari. he had that stretch in the middle of the year where he was terrible but other than that, it was pretty freaking good. He also didn’t let Twitter gate affect him. He is a mature kid.

Lord knows I understand the nature of the BBS now and I do agree with a lot of the negative things are being said, but I think it’s just become a little bit much. We probably would need to let Thompson run the team for a year to really get a feel on how that would go. I think he deserves that chance and it should be the next step. That being said he needs to do it playing about 37 minutes a game.

the form on his shot looks fine. that is why the free-throw percentage jumped a little bit more than we were expecting. Sengun really doesn’t have great form. He makes a fair amount of shots because he has a pretty good feel for the game, but his shot overall is pretty terrible and he lacks a consistent form and there is often a hitch and it is accompanied by a very slow release.

the mechanics for Thompson are clean inside the three-point arc and out to the base line. There’s a little bit of an inconsistency on the longer three-point shots, but I truly think it will iron out.

I would take the over on what he is shooting four years from now if it was given to me as 34% as a betting option.

 

Amen was in his third year, big difference comparing to a 5th year player. That said, his ceiling is likely not as high as the Rockets think because the guy can not shoot the 3.

 

To be fair, if you count Amen's OTE years, then you have to consider the fact that Alpi's been playing pro basketball since he was 16 or so in the Turkish leagues. So about 7 or 8 years ago.

 

I think we should all keep arguing about how many years people have been professionals. let’s keep it up so we can further discredit our own players.

I don’t know if them being a professional when they were 16 necessarily limits their growth potential.

 

Calling Amen a 5 year pro is really disingenuous. Under that standard every year a college player gets paid should count as being a professional. OTE is a joke.

 

I was with you all the way to this .... then you hadda go sideways.

Amen and spacing don't go in the same sentence - he's the anti spacer. He's the reason opponents found it so easy to double team KD and Sengun all season long.

 

What about Sengun's pre-nba pro experience? If you're going to count OTE as "pro experience" , then it seems that you should count Sengun's 3 years pro experience prior to the NBA.

So a 8 year pro vs a 5 year pro.

 

That is reasonable, same for Jalen Green and his Gleague pro year.

If your job is basketball - and you are paid for it you are a pro.

DD

 

On this search for this stretch center - what would you consider a good enough percentage from 3?

 

That alone doesn't limit their growth potential.

But there are statistical indicators aside from that that suggest their ceiling is not what we thought it to be on draft day.

 

LOL Alpi played professionally in Turkey for 3 years

Alpi 8 years PRO
Amen 5 years PRO

 

Playoffs have shown Amen has caught up or surpassed Alpi.

Amen is 6th in the playoffs in potential assists, Alpi 15th

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing?dir=D&sort=POTENTIAL_AST

Amen also shot better than Alpi in the playoffs.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/s... Zone&dir=D&sort=In The Paint (Non-RA) FG PCT
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/s...REVIATION*E*HOU&dir=D&sort=ELBOW_TOUCH_FG_PCT

 

Well, did we listen?

 

But from an expectation point of view it's not the same. Was OTE better competition or training than say Jabari's year playing in the SEC?

 

Are the offers in the room with us right now, Rafael & Pat?