KD or Sengun (Poll) Which to keep, if you could only keep 1

I understand
I personally think at this point we have to clean house with Ime & Stone like Denver did.
And ironically if we cut Ime now we can get Mike Malone while he’s still available.

I heard rumors that Stone refused to trade or bring in a. New player to force Ime to play Reed more.
While that’s not a bad reason to do it, I do think that’s malpractice as an GM to let his ego get in the way and cause behind the scenes drama which has clearly bled into the players.

Ime is horrible at this point so nothing to say there.
But Stone gambled on DFS and it failed horribly, he gambled on not adding help to force Ime’s hand, which has also blew up in his face.

I’m for letting Reed grow as a Pg and I believe he is going to get a lot better but Stone could have atleast gotten a Coby White or Collin Sexton to be a ball handling scorer and STILL had Reed at PG
I heard we could have got Coby White for Tari Eason and Stone didn’t want to do it. Another failed move.

While Durant is definitely at fault and so is Sengun, I think they are more products from bad GM gambles and Stubborn clueless Coaching.
Which makes it scarier than the scenario your asking us about

 

Maybe, but I’m not in a rush to re-live 2021-2024 either.

 

You have spun those options again though. You're removing the actual choices most people would go for, it's all just designed to prop up your narrative. You've gone "Who should we build around?" And then only given 2 options, and then the worthless options of trade or keep them both. Why don't you put Amen and Reed's names on the poll instead and see who people think we should actually build around? Because it'd be neither, and that doesn't suit your propaganda campaign. It'd actually be a more worthwhile poll if you removed both Sengun and KD's names and just replaced them with Reed and Amen's, or even just add Amen's name and watch all the votes switch to him.

 

You specifically need KD in the playoffs especially in crunch time to take over or draw attention away from Sengun so he can operate more easily. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Fred hadn't gotten injured or if we had a pg. A Sengun–KD–ball handler lineup works perfectly fine. We don't have to get rid of them, you just need a reliable ball handler.

 

Im highly skeptical of how well that’s going to work in the playoffs. I suspect crunch time is going to look a lot like it did during the regular season, which has left a lot to be desired.

 

Jabari people confuse me. He can barely shoot. Can barely play defense. Can barely rebound. He is highly streaky on all those things. The only reason Sengun is considered our star is because he overplayed his draft position while Jabari has been a huge disapointment at his. But sure yeah lets keep that guy lol In fact Sengun is the only one out of the 4 Im not disapointed in as I expected way less from him and WAY MORE from our top picks who are all technically busts. Not one has become an Allstar except the one that wast drafted to be one. Houston fans have a funny way of looking at things. Late first round pick overplays his position TRADE HIM. Top 3 picks all busts KEEP THEM. Its so stupid.

 

Both

 

False dilemma is a false dilemma

 

I have a huge problem with equating "not an all-star in the first 2-4 years" with "bust".

As far as Jabari goes, I don't know what to tell you dude, he can do all of the things you said he can "barely" do at an NBA average or better level. That's not barely able to do them, that's on aggregate, a 4th/5th starter in the league.

I agree he's been streaky at times and he's not an all-star and probably never will be (maybe once or twice if he improves a decent amount and has a couple of really hot shooting years). But he's a well-rounded roleplayer with a rare archetype.

I admittedly go back and forth on trading Sengun. The roster construction problems are extremely obvious, and if you have to pick just one player to trade to fix our fit issues, Sengun is the easiest one since he doesn't fit with Amen on offense or Reed on defense. However, I also do think he's the best young player we have for now (I think Amen will probably surpass him at some point, although not guaranteed). We're in a tough situation. He's also tough to trade and get a good enough return for the same reasons he's tough to build around... it greatly limits the number of teams who would be interested in paying an all-star level price to have him.

 

Barely means he does them every once and a while which is bad for us. He's a top 3 pick, so is Amen and so is Reed. None of them were top 3 rookies. They arent top 3 young players in the league. They are nowhere near all stars. They are role players. For what we expected yes they are busts. They are good role players. There's an outside chance Reed has a year 3 leap. Other than that, the other two will likely get better as they age but not all star better. There's an outside chance they become an allstar like a zach lavine late in career but even zach had shooting stats far better than either at this stage.

Youre saying they arent busts somehow and youre giving them a chance. But the guy who overachieved and hit milestones they havent hit (eventhough they were supposed to be better) you want to trade. Im sorry its still stupid no matter how you slice it. Sengun was supposed to be #3 or #4 behind stars. He plays at that level. You're blaming him because he's a #3 having to play #1 because we've had a bunch of busts.

 

Don't think KD has another full season in him. Trade him for picks and a shooter.

 

The thing about stars is, one, they need to either clearly be good enough to be the best player on a championship team, OR they need to be able to fit with the best player on a championship team and the roleplayers you assemble around that guy. I think Sengun is currently a low-level star player in terms of his talent, but he is also pretty hard to fit onto a contender. Is he going to ever be the best player on a contender? I go back and forth on that question myself--he flashes it at times, but not consistently. If the answer is no, then he has to fit onto a roster, not have the roster fit around him.

Complicating that is that the group of high-end roleplayers we've assembled (and I've also already said I think Amen will probably be better than Sengun, possibly by next season) fits poorly with him. So maybe you would say "just trade those guys, he's better and top end talent is all that matters in this league", but it's tough when you're talking about a guy who may only be good enough to be a #2 and may have already peaked versus several guys with 2-4 years of experience who are younger than he is. Potential matters, aggregate value matters.

I feel like you want it to be simpler than it really is. Building an NBA roster is complicated, and while top end talent is probably the most important thing, it's not the only thing. And Sengun very clearly is not a #1 right now anyway.

 

"Sengun is the only player who played at an allstar level and out played the others and is playing above his draft position and since I have nothing else to say im gonna pull some bullshti out my ass about him not fitting in with other stars and I have no way of proving that but I have nothing else to say" lol OK dude whatever. Just end with im a ****ing idiot next time.

 

All right I guess we're done then.

 

Sengun had 2 bad games in the playoffs and 2 great games(aside from free throw shooting in one of them).

Durant had 1 good half of a game in the playoffs and one bad half. And he's missed the other 3.

That alone is reason enough to keep Alpi and move on from KD.

 

Triple double threat? He’s only had 12 in his career. How is that a threat every game?