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Impeaching Supreme Court Justices

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Apr 1, 2026.

  1. Rocket River

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    This maybe the time to start looking into this as well.



    Impeaching a U.S. Supreme Court justice uses the same process as impeaching a president or other federal official, because justices are part of the federal judiciary.

    Here’s the straight breakdown.

    1. The House of Representatives Impeaches
    The process starts in the United States House of Representatives.

    • A member of the House introduces articles of impeachment.

    • The House Judiciary Committee usually investigates and holds hearings.

    • The House votes on the articles.
    If a simple majority (50% + 1) votes yes, the justice is impeached.
    Think of this like a formal indictment.

    2. The Senate Holds a Trial
    The case then moves to the United States Senate.

    • Senators act as jurors.

    • Evidence and arguments are presented.

    • The Senate votes on whether to convict.
    To remove the justice from office, two-thirds of senators present must vote to convict.

    If that threshold is reached:

    • The justice is removed from the Supreme Court

    • The Senate can also vote to bar them from holding future federal office
    3. What They Can Be Impeached For
    The Constitution says federal officials can be impeached for:

    • Treason

    • Bribery

    • “High crimes and misdemeanors”
    That last phrase is intentionally broad. It can include serious abuse of office, corruption, or ethical violations—not just criminal convictions.

    This language comes from United States Constitution Article II Section 4.

    4. Has It Ever Happened?
    Yes—but it’s extremely rare.

    • In 1804, the House impeached Samuel Chase, a Supreme Court justice.

    • The Senate acquitted him, so he stayed on the court.
    No Supreme Court justice has ever been removed through impeachment.

    5. Why It’s So Hard
    Three things make it difficult:

    1. House majority required

    2. Two-thirds Senate vote required

    3. Political consequences of going after a lifetime-appointed justice
    Because of that, impeachment of justices almost never happens.

    Bottom line:
    To remove a Supreme Court justice, the House must impeach (majority vote) and the Senate must convict (two-thirds vote).

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    In the last few years, several ethics controversies involving Supreme Court justices have raised the question of impeachment. But understanding why impeachment is talked about yet rarely pursued requires looking at both the accusations and the political reality.

    1. Ethics Controversies Involving Justices
    Clarence Thomas
    A series of investigative reports alleged that Justice Thomas received luxury trips, gifts, and real estate dealings from wealthy donor Harlan Crow.

    Issues critics raised:

    • Private jet flights and luxury vacations

    • A real estate purchase involving Thomas’s family property

    • Some gifts allegedly not disclosed on financial forms
    Supporters argue:

    • Some gifts fell under older disclosure rules.

    • There’s no proof of judicial decisions being changed because of them.
    Samuel Alito
    Justice Alito faced criticism after reports he took a private jet trip to Alaska for a fishing trip funded by a billionaire.

    Key dispute:

    • Whether the travel should have been disclosed on financial reports.
    Alito wrote publicly defending himself, saying:

    • The seat would have been empty anyway.

    • Ethics rules at the time did not clearly require disclosure.
    Political Symbol Controversy
    Justice Alito also faced criticism over political flags displayed at homes associated with his family, which critics said created the appearance of political bias.

    2. The Ethics Structure Problem
    Unlike every other federal court, the Supreme Court of the United States historically had no formally binding ethics code for its justices.

    Lower courts follow rules set by the Judicial Conference of the United States, but those rules didn't technically bind the Supreme Court.

    Because of growing criticism, the Court released a new ethics code in 2023, but critics say:

    • It is self-enforced

    • There is no external investigation mechanism
    3. Why Impeachment Is Extremely Unlikely
    Even when controversies happen, impeachment almost never moves forward for three main reasons.

    1. Political Math
    To remove a justice:

    • Majority vote in the United States House of Representatives

    • Two-thirds vote in the United States Senate
    In modern U.S. politics, reaching 67 Senate votes against a justice appointed by one party is nearly impossible.

    2. The Historical Standard
    The only Supreme Court justice ever impeached was Samuel Chase in 1804.

    He was accused of political bias, not corruption.

    The Senate acquitted him, establishing a tradition that:

    Justices shouldn’t be removed simply for political disagreements.

    That precedent still strongly influences Congress today.

    3. The Definition Problem
    The Constitution allows impeachment for:

    • Treason

    • Bribery

    • “High crimes and misdemeanors”
    That phrase is intentionally vague, but historically Congress has required clear criminal or corrupt conduct.

    Ethics controversies and nondisclosure issues often don’t meet that bar politically, even if critics think they should.

    4. What Actually Happens Instead
    Instead of impeachment, pressure usually leads to:

    • Ethics reforms

    • Public scrutiny

    • Calls for recusal from cases

    • Congressional hearings
    This is what happened after the recent reporting by organizations like ProPublica that brought many of the allegations to light.

    The blunt reality:
    Impeaching a Supreme Court justice is legally possible but politically extremely rare. Unless there were clear criminal acts like bribery or corruption tied directly to court decisions, Congress is unlikely to remove one.


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    just wanted to see what CHATGPT said about it
     
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    For a Supreme Court justice to actually be removed, the situation would have to be far more serious than most ethics controversies. Congress historically treats impeachment as a last resort. Realistically, only a few types of scenarios would generate the political will to get both a House majority and a two-thirds Senate vote.

    Here are the three situations most likely to make that happen.

    1. Direct Bribery Connected to a Court Decision
    If a justice were proven to take money or favors in exchange for a ruling, that would almost certainly trigger impeachment and removal.

    Example scenario:

    • A billionaire secretly pays a justice.

    • The justice then rules in a case that financially benefits that person.

    • Evidence shows the payment was tied to the decision.
    That would qualify as bribery, one of the explicit grounds for impeachment in the United States Constitution Article II Section 4.

    In that case:

    • The United States House of Representatives would likely impeach quickly.

    • The United States Senate would almost certainly convict because the crime is clear.
    In short: quid-pro-quo corruption is the fastest path to removal.

    2. Serious Criminal Activity
    If a justice committed a major crime and the evidence was overwhelming, impeachment would become very likely.

    Examples that could trigger removal:

    • Fraud or financial crimes

    • Obstruction of justice

    • Tax evasion

    • Assault or other violent crimes

    • Selling classified information
    Federal judges have been removed for crimes before. For example:

    • Thomas Porteous, a federal judge, was impeached and removed in 2010 for corruption and lying under oath.
    If a Supreme Court justice faced something comparable, removal would probably follow.

    3. Abuse of Office That Destroys Judicial Legitimacy
    The third scenario is severe abuse of power, even if it isn’t technically a criminal conviction.

    Example possibilities:

    • Secretly coordinating rulings with political campaigns.

    • Interfering with election results behind the scenes.

    • Using the Court to advance personal financial interests.

    • Repeatedly refusing to recuse from cases where the justice has clear conflicts.
    If evidence showed a justice was using the court as a personal or political weapon, bipartisan support for removal could form.

    That kind of crisis could threaten the credibility of the Supreme Court of the United States itself.

    The Reality Check
    Here’s the blunt truth: impeachment of a justice is rare not because it’s impossible, but because the political bar is extremely high.

    Two things must happen simultaneously:

    1. Clear misconduct that shocks the public

    2. Bipartisan agreement in Congress
    Without both, impeachment efforts usually stall.

    That’s why the only Supreme Court justice ever impeached—Samuel Chase in 1804—was ultimately acquitted.

    Bottom line:
    A justice would likely be removed only if the misconduct involved obvious corruption, major criminal behavior, or actions that fundamentally undermine the legitimacy of the Court.

    If you're curious, there’s also a fourth scenario people rarely talk about—a constitutional crisis where Congress might try to remove a justice for defying the law or the Court itself. It’s rare, but it has been debated by constitutional scholars.

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    The fourth scenario is the one constitutional scholars worry about the most because it involves a constitutional crisis, not just personal misconduct. It would happen if a justice used their position in a way that openly defied the law or the constitutional system itself.

    Let’s walk through what that could look like.

    1. A Justice Ignores the Law or Court Rules
    The Supreme Court of the United States runs on the expectation that its justices follow legal procedure and the Constitution.

    Imagine a situation where a justice:

    • Refuses to follow established recusal rules

    • Participates in cases they have direct personal stakes in

    • Publicly coordinates legal strategy with political actors
    If this became extreme or repeated, Congress could argue the justice had abused the office itself.

    That begins moving into “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

    2. A Justice Actively Interferes With Government Functions
    Now imagine something more serious.

    Example crisis scenario:

    • A justice secretly advises a political campaign on how to win a case likely to reach the Court.

    • Then that justice participates in deciding the case.
    Or even worse:

    • A justice helps plan a strategy to overturn a certified election result while knowing the case will come before the Court.
    At that point the justice is no longer acting like a judge — they’re acting like a political actor using judicial power.

    That could trigger impeachment proceedings in the United States House of Representatives.

    3. The Legitimacy Crisis
    The real reason this scenario matters is public trust.

    The Supreme Court has no army and no police. Its authority comes from legitimacy — people accepting its rulings as neutral law.

    If evidence showed a justice was manipulating outcomes for personal or political reasons, it could threaten the legitimacy of the Court itself.

    At that point Congress might decide removal is necessary to protect the institution.

    4. The Senate’s Role
    After impeachment, the trial happens in the United States Senate.

    Conviction would still require two-thirds of senators.

    But in a true constitutional crisis—where both parties feared damage to the Court—bipartisan votes could become possible.

    Why Scholars Talk About This Scenario
    Legal scholars discuss this situation because Supreme Court justices have lifetime appointments and extremely few checks on their behavior.

    That means:

    • Most problems are handled through public pressure

    • Congress almost never intervenes

    • But impeachment remains the ultimate emergency tool
    In plain terms:
    This fourth scenario would only happen if a justice stopped acting like a judge and started acting like a political operator using the Court’s power.

    That’s the type of crisis serious enough that Congress might actually remove a justice.



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    Some of these . . .. . I see some points.

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  5. JuanValdez

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    We couldn't convict Trump on an impeachment when his revolution was televised. There is no way we get a Justice. Clarence Thomas looks like the likeliest target given his relationship with Crow and some of his behaviors that would have violated any ethics code had any existed. But even him -- no way that happens. The best thing we could have done would have been to pack the Court, but Biden wasn't willing to go down that road.
     
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    100% that was because the Republicans controlled the Senate and they rallied around the party. If one of the widly optimistic scenarios plays out and Dems somehow get the Senate, in addition to the House I could see 2 or 3 impeachments including Trump.

    There is a lot of unresoved, festering anger out there among the general populace.

    That scenario is pretty unlikely but never say never. If republicans retain the Senate, i don't think dems try to impeach anybody.
     
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    Getting 2/3 of the Senate to agree to impeach of Justice will never happen.

    If it ever does happen, it means that one party has gotten so powerful that they have basically made the opposition party illegal and democracy is over.

    I think we will see justices start becoming targets of political violence routinely.
     
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    I agree with this. Unfortunately.
     
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    Still not believing it. I think Democrats will be gun-shy after getting burned on the failed Trump impeachment. This check on presidential power is obviously a failure. We had a test to see if Senators would prioritize not only the rule of law but the power of their own Congress over their own party interest, and we failed the test. No matter how slam-dunk a case, Democrats must know by now that they will not get Republicans to vote against their self-interest on an impeachment. And there will be electoral blowback from trying and failing.
     
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    100%. There is no political benefit to impeachment unless you know you have the votes to convict, and even then, successful impeachment may carry unintended consequences.
     
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    or the member has done something every agrees is wrong. But in this environment, there are no heros or villains. Just one side or the other.
     
  12. DonnyMost

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    There's no reason or benefit to having standards in a duopoly.
     
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    2/3 of the Senate for removal. Impeachment only requires a simple majority in the House.

    FWIW, Justice Fortas was going to be impeached by the House and likely convicted and removed by 2/3 of the Senate (even without a supermajority in either party).

    He resigned in 1969 for accepting a $20k speaking fee from a private foundation while on the Court. Justice Clarence has accepted ~$4M in gifts while on the Court. How far we have gone.

    As for target for political violence - we should expect that. There is no reason why it wouldn't happen when the POTUS is channeling his Jan6 toward the Court.
     
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    You don't remove. You add.
     
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    Yes, flood the SCOTUS with another 10 Ketanji Jacksons and then the constitution will be in the garbage and the U.S. will become the old Soviet Union. This is the leftist dream!
     
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    I suggest that we should impeach this stupid thread. That is all…carry on.
     
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    So even if the Justice deserves it.....having it done
    Would be considered one party having too much power?

    Honestly the law is to prevent violence
    If it is never enforce....then people may need to go outside of it
    Or at least feel that way

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    As much as I want him impeached, it never works out well and at the end of the day he isn't going anywhere and people get tired of hearing about it and all the time it takes...........start doing things to make the place affordable again, I am tired of paying $8.90 for a LB of beef and do something about the dam tarriffs
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    No. If we ever get to a 2/3 majority situation in Congress it means that one party will probably have permanently seized control (esp if it's this republican party).

    Imagine Trump with 2/3rds of congress. Democracy would be over.
     
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    It would probably be a better use of time for a Congress to instead expand the court to create greater peer pressure to higher standards and less ideological bubbles. Right now Alito and Thomas especially operate in their own world and should have a larger group of ethical professionals they have to interact with.

    Congress also needs to pass laws that give higher standards of ethics and anti corruption measures. That should be one of the first pieces of legislation passed in a new Congress. If a SCOTUS is clearly violating laws then the impeachment process in theory shouldn’t be such a huge stretch and it shouldn’t lead to such huge political consequences where there’s no way a party would impeach a judge of their own party.
     

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