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If Rudy is here, would Rockets do this TMAC trade?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by lanqiu1, Nov 23, 2004.

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  1. lanqiu1

    lanqiu1 Contributing Member

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    No matter how talented TMac is, basketball is still a five-man game.

    If basketball is a two-man game, no body will ever pay Mo 8 million a year.

    Then why Rockets traded Stevie-Cat-Cato for TMac-Lue-Howard?

    Even TMac is much better than Stevie, a Stevie-Cat for TMac-Lue trade is reasonable.

    But by doing this current trade, Rockets lost its best perimeter shooter/perimeter defender, it also lost its best rebounder/only inside tough guy.

    What Rockets got from Lue and Howard? First of all, they are part of the reason TMac quitted on Orlando. Second, Lue can't even beat old Charlie Ward. Third, Howard is a duplicate of Mo.

    With all the blackmails from TMac, the Orlando GM, a hocky guy, held his own. Salute to him for doing a good job.

    But Houston was the one gave in for this trade. Why?

    Because this egomaniac control freak JVG had to move Stevie. He clashed with Stevie on playing styles, then blow that Super Bowl incident out of portion---which set up Stevie's outing in Houston.

    Throwing out all the newspaper blah blah. The actual trade told you more than anything. The core of the trade iwass that Houston was more desperate to move Stevie than Orlando to move TMac. Considering TMac's contract threat, it was quite surprising, right?

    You can talk all about that the roster is still unset. But look at this team, with all the old, overpaid rold players, salary cap restraints, limited draft picks, plus JVG's unwilling to play young players, I can't see a lot of roster improvement space. If Yao signed a long term extension, Houston's salary situation will be stretched further thin.

    In one word, that was a bad trade, VERY BAD.
     
    #1 lanqiu1, Nov 23, 2004
  2. Glyyde

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    I tot with the Rockets winning 2 in a row..... this kind of thread will be missing for a while......
     
    #2 Glyyde, Nov 23, 2004
  3. RocketFire

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    Orlando doesn't look to have a future, but Rockets do. Orlando is playing better than rockets right now, but it is a long season so i will wait for teh season to be over for evaluating if the trade was good or bad for rox.
     
    #3 RocketFire, Nov 23, 2004
  4. clove

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    Man. You don't give up. I'll give you that.

    I loved the Tmac trade. I'm not motivated to tell you why.:p

    I'm sure you'll get plenty of replies though.
     
    #4 clove, Nov 23, 2004
  5. lanqiu1

    lanqiu1 Contributing Member

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    We are hoping to build a championship contender, not a regular season 50-game winer, playoff first-round outer.

    Role players are my concern. Players #3 to #12 of this Rockets team is even worse than Bobcats. Mo is our #3 best player, but he wasn't picked up in the expansion draft.

     
    #5 lanqiu1, Nov 23, 2004
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    i like how people go for the tmac trade then when things are not doing well they go back to the bandwagon trend again

    sigh
     
    #6 oniichan, Nov 23, 2004
  7. lanqiu1

    lanqiu1 Contributing Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I love TMac. But should Houston trade away esstentially the entire team except Yao and Mo for TMac? Of course not.

    Think about Miami, although they were thrilled about the chance to get Shaq, they refused to put Wade in the trade.

    The offseason is the battle field among GMs and coaches, we lost. Just admit it, and try to correct the mistakes.

    You gain nothing by buring you head in sand.


     
    #7 lanqiu1, Nov 23, 2004
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    Francis is my favorite player but I have no choice but to concede this team was a 50 game winner at best as long as he was here.

    Now with T-Mac, we have the potential to contend for a championship instead of hoping to finally win 50 games.

    What scenario makes you sleep better at night?
     
    #8 baller4life315, Nov 23, 2004
  9. giddyup

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    Why did we do it? Two words: Indiana Pacers.
     
    #9 giddyup, Nov 23, 2004
  10. ccjj

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    Guy like T-Mac doesn't come around frequently. Guys like Cato/Cat are much easiey to get in 1 or 2 years down the road. I think the Rocket is not build to win now and expect ringS in a few years time.
     
    #10 ccjj, Nov 23, 2004
  11. lanqiu1

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    If the team is not build to win now, why they get all the senior citizens and play them significant minutes?

    If you think Cat/Cato is easy to find, go find one. We don't need Motumbo and Charlie Ward anyway, right?

    The history of the Rochets franchise showed that championships were win by a good superstar with several execellent rold players, not several superstars plus a bunch of scrubs.

    Do you remember the Olajuwan-Barkely-Pippen era?


     
    #11 lanqiu1, Nov 23, 2004
  12. Glyyde

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    wat makes u think tat orlando has no future?
     
    #12 Glyyde, Nov 23, 2004
  13. lanqiu1

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    These guys have no idea what a wonderful job the Orlando GM had done.

    Yao acutually may decide to join this team after a couple of years.


    Orlando Magic

    Point Guard Steve Francis, Jameer Nelson
    Shooting Guard Cuttino Mobley, Hidayet Turkoglu
    Small Forward Grant Hill, Pat Garrity, Stacey Augmon
    Power Forward Dwight Howard, Tony Battie, Brandon Hunter
    Center Kelvin Cato, Andrew DeClercq, Mario Kasun


     
    #13 lanqiu1, Nov 23, 2004
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    He didn't say Cat and Cato are easy to find in a flash for zero dollars. He said they could be found in a year or 2 easier than you can find a TMac.

    Between free agency in the next year or 2, draft picks (ahem, Mobley round 2), and possibly a trade (though not necessary)...it will be easy to acquire a Cato-esque guy, and not out of reach to find someone at Mobley's talent-level--maybe with a first-rounder. And more.

    We're not built to win the championship this year. I think most people knew that as the season began based on the role players. We have 2 of the best young players in their prime, willing to play together and learn together.

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    the Magic did a great job in turning a crappy team into a decent one. If Grant Hill's ankle was like this last year, they'd at least have been .500 ... But anyway, with the current team, they now have an outside shot at the Eastern Conf Finals because of the Pacers junk. But still doubtful. And they're not winning a championship built around Francis Hill and Howard unless Howard skyrockets in the next 2 years...and even then, it'll be tough with Francis running the point. He's not MJ.

    They got a good backup point in Lue. They got a good forward in Howard. Do you need to know anythign more on them?


    In the end, all the reasoning in the world can be countered by the simple fact that the Rockets got TMac. One of the 5 best players in the game. One of the best all-around players in the game, with the potential to be #1.

    You make an argument about the Heat? They refused to give up Wade. I didn't see the Rockets throwing in Yao. Did you? Do you think they ever would? Do you think the Heat gave up all of their team? Odom, Butler, Grant...3 starters, leaving holes at PF and SF. Haslem? R. Butler? please. Their #3 guy (E Jones) about as effective as our's (JJ) this year. Ok I need to stop, this post could go on forever.
     
    #14 kaleidosky, Nov 23, 2004
  15. spacepimp

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    heheh the younger quicker team has no future but the old team with the timid center does.
     
    #15 spacepimp, Nov 23, 2004
  16. spacepimp

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    no matter how many scoring titles tmac has him and steve are on the same level first round exit.
     
    #16 spacepimp, Nov 23, 2004
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    It was a good trade for both sides. They needed depth and speed and we needed another superstar. However it will be very painful for us to build a team until 2006 when we will have about 13 million in cap space. Hoever, we will have to replace almost every position on our team with that money.
     
    #17 rockbox, Nov 23, 2004
  18. tim562

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    How many players did we give up for Clyde or Charles. I know T-mac is not on the same level yet (but he is close) but Rudy does not hesitiate when it comes to talent.
     
    #18 tim562, Nov 23, 2004
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    Drexler and Murray for Thorpe

    Barkley for Horry, Cassell, Brown, Bryant
     
    #19 JPM0016, Nov 23, 2004
  20. spacepimp

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    1) Dwight Howard Orlando, PF, 6-11, 250 lbs.
    Stats: 7.2 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 1.1 apg, 2.11 bpg, 46.3% FG
    Comments: Unlimited potential for stardom. Ranks #5 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game(11.4), Ranks #11 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game(2.11)


    I think orlando likes there future very much.
     
    #20 spacepimp, Nov 23, 2004
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