Peter Brown, born in Philadelphia, was detained by ICE for over seven months and nearly deported to Jamaica. Multiple U.S. citizen military veterans have been detained: George Retes (Army, Iraq War) for three days, Jilmar Ramos-Gomez (Marine Corps, Afghanistan) for three days despite having his passport and military ID on him, and William Vermie (Army, Purple Heart recipient) for eight hours. Just two weeks ago, an American citizen had his home entered without a warrant and was removed in his underwear in subfreezing temperatures while his grandson cried. Fourth Amendment apparently optional. (and more cases...) But sure, nothing to worry about. Turns out when enforcement operates at scale with racial profiling baked in, paperwork gets messy and "citizen" becomes surprisingly negotiable. If you're brown and get caught in a sweep, your birth certificate doesn't work like a force field. It just means you eventually get released (hopefully), maybe with an apology, maybe not, instead of deported. You should be grateful for the free detention experience, obviously. So yeah, people with functioning brains and working eyes have reason to be concerned about ICE. If not for themselves, then for their fellow citizens whose constitutional rights are getting trampled. For those who don't see this, maybe you're just in an echo chamber and genuinely weren't aware. But if you know and don't care? Then I guess constitutional protections only matter when they protect the right people.
The Democrats flooded the U.S. with MILLIONS of illegals. Mistakes are going to be made. None of this would be happening had the Biden Regime not opened the border. Why don't you lying leftists ever demonstrate a sliver of honesty by acknowledging this fact?
Reasoning failure on your part. People have noting to hide but still put their letters on sealed envelopes, vote in private booths etc. There are far more pressing issues with voting security. They come from those in power now that have already tried to overturn one free and fair presidential election
I wonder if there will be an accurate statistical breakdown of what % of ICE arrests were made that shouldn’t have been. I think we have all seen the mistakes that have happened, but is it less than 1%? 5%? 10%? Of the total arrests thus far? What level of inaccuracy in tracking down illegal criminals are people willing to accept to get the job done? I don’t know that there is anything in life we do as people where we expect 100% accuracy or effectiveness.
This is a real question , but it also buries the lead that ICE is not going after the low hanging fruit. They could be getting people from prisons with zero risk , but instead are patrolling the streets asking for papers. Since its not a "targeted operation" we should hold them to a higher bar. Also in this type I vs type II error conversation , not only the probability needs to be discussed , but also the cost of errors. When the state takes the life of multiple American citizens , that cost is too high . Especially when the alternative is letting gardeners walk free for a few more days. When you say illegal criminals do you mean violent illegal aliens , or do you mean criminal in the sense that they came here illegally and so they are criminal. Your question is much more valid for option number 1. The facts don't support that ICE's priority really is number 1 and that they are conducting operations under a different mindset.
SAVE act is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. But sure, ID sounds fine and is fine really. Just that the ROI here is near nil and it's mostly a peace of mind thing, which frankly, is probably worth it. I don't want another excuse for another Jan 6. With that said, we do have MUCH bigger issues with our federal elections. If Republicans (and Dems as well) are genuinely about election integrity, we'd be addressing the elephant in the room: low voter turnout AND barriers to fair representation. Fair representation was already bad, but became worse when Republicans started gerrymandering for the midterms, letting politicians choose their voters instead of the other way around. When districts are drawn so that election outcomes are essentially predetermined, that's not voters choosing their representation. That's representatives choosing their voters. So, if voting is important (and it is) so that Americans get to choose their government, we would be aiming to solve these two main issues. But we're only hearing about federal ID because, well, it's part of the larger scheme of choosing your voters, nothing more. It's a power grab.
So much embellishment and outright lies, in an attempt to pretend our rights are under attack -- let's get to debunking them. Peter Brown from Philadelphia is an example from 8 years ago. That shows how far back you have to go to find an actual case of a US citizen being detained based on a parole violation. DHS Debunks New York Times False Reporting: DHS Does NOT Deport U.S. Citizens | Homeland Security George Retes was not detained for being illegal -- he assaulted federal law enforcement as they raided mar1juana sites and attempted to block their vehicles. FALSE CLAIM: George Retes was wrongly arrested and held by ICE. THE FACTS: As U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and ICE agents were executing criminal search warrants on July 10 at the mar1juana sites in Camarillo, CA, George Retes—a U.S. citizen—became violent and refused to comply with law enforcement. He challenged agents and blocked their route by refusing to move his vehicle out of the road. CBP arrested Retes for assault. JIlmar Ramos is also an example from 8 years ago. He was arrested for setting a fire and pulling a fire alarm, and then there was confusion about whether he was an illegal or not. Anyone, legal or illegal, should be arrested for arson. Ramos-Gomez, now 28, was arrested for trespassing in a secure area of the Spectrum Health Butterworth Hospital on Nov. 21, 2018. He set a fire and pulled an alarm. He was not a patient at the hospital, but Kessler said he was struggling with post-traumatic stress at the time and accessed a helipad on the roof. William Vernie was arrested for assaulting a federal officer during a protest - 8 hours of detainment is nothing for that. As we see with Alex Pretti, the "peaceful protestor" who kicked the taillight off a federal agents car, soft on crime policies lead to situations spiraling out of control. A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security confirmed that Vermie was detained by federal agents. "This individual was arrested for assaulting a law enforcement officer – a felony and a federal crime," the DHS spokesperson said in a statement to ABC News. "Our brave law enforcement are grappling with a 1,347% increase in assaults and a staggering 8,000% uptick in death threats as they put their lives on the line to arrest murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and gang members." And finally, the US citizen in Minnesota was suspected of housing sex criminal illegals who have since moved. While Thao disputes this claim, there's no way to tell who's telling the truth unless you've been his neighbor for the past 5 years. ICE Justification vs. Family Claims: The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) stated it was a "targeted operation" looking for two convicted sex offenders, claiming Thao lived with them and matched a description. Thao's family "categorically disputes" this, stating they have lived there for two years and do not know the individuals ICE was seeking. So no, I don't have any fear of ICE. Primarily because I don't go around committing crimes and assaulting federal officers. You can't keep instigating then expecting to be treated with kiddie gloves.
ICE made a bad mistake 8 years ago in April 2018, and things are even worse today. Thanks for proving my point that Americans should be concerned about ICE. DHS has lied in court and in public numerous times, so their "official" version of "the facts" means nothing to me and should mean nothing to anyone else. You know this, so using their page as proof of "the facts" is laughable. And you ignored the other cases on purpose. You know and do not care, because constitutional protections only matter to you when they protect the right people.
Which problem do we think is bigger Illegal aliens managing to finagle the system and vote Or , the new forms of accepted ID in the bill prove difficult to get and legitimate voters end up not being able to vote From my understanding it's REAL ID , passport , or birth certificate with current last name https://democrats-cha.house.gov/sit...ument/SAVE Act Section-by-Section_BRANDED.pdf This link shows some facts of the bill and the Democrats response . I support the bill in theory , but if in practice getting the IDs required is cumbersome and difficult , then I don't . Has anyone tried to get a passport lately ? What's the queue like ? Appointments are booked up , imagine if there is triple volume due to this law . Imagine the department of state simply slows down the process even more . If the entity in charge of creating the IDs wasn't the same entity up for election , I would be more in favor . Seems like a conflict of interest
