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The massive DEI fraud that is 8a finally being audited

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by strosb4bros, Jan 17, 2026.

  1. JuanValdez

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    To be serious for a moment, I do think there's gamesmanship in getting the designation to pursue these contracts. The point of the law that created it though was specifically aimed at increasing social mobility and repairing the wealth disparity caused by generations of institutional racism. In that lens, the point of the program is to get some useful work done for the government and to give the money to a minority to do it to rid ourselves of the legacy of slavery and racism. In that regard, I think it was working. That's definitely DEI. And I'm still a fan of DEI. But more importantly, this DEI is written into the law. If America doesn't want that anymore, Congress should revise the law. It's not within the administration's authority to say they don't like DEI so they're going to get rid of it (like many of the other agencies and programs that they've illegally squashed with impunity).
     
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  2. Rocket River

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    They love to point and scream bloody murder about people stealing nickles and dimes
    but
    are quite ok with people stealing millions

    It is ingrained in our culture. . . .. . the rule in america is . .. if you are going to steal . .. STEAL BIG
    Which is why someone can bilk people for billions are only get less than 5 yrs in club fed
    while someone who steals 500$ can get 10 yrs

    Rocket River
     
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  3. Amiga

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    Right, that clearly violates the Take Care Clause of the Constitution. But they’re going to do it anyway and fight it out in court, betting that the 6–3 conservative Court rules in their favor.

    ps Actually, knowing that Congress has abdicated its responsibility, as it has so far, someone will have to sue for the Court to even consider the case.
     
  4. strosb4bros

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    We're past the naivety of what things were "intended" for when we have an entire culture of people implicitly gaming the system. When networks of NGO's, funded by taxpayers, implicitly backed by unelected bureaucrats change policy that people never agreed to. Another factor crushing the working class - and by that I mean the people who actually do work - not the skimmers.

    Pass throughs are incredibly inefficient, waste billions of taxpayer dollars and don't enrich communities - they enrich the individuals who skim based on DEI criteria. Instead of addressing education levels falling to all time lows, using identity politics as a profession has been taught to what can only be seen as the taker class. Not real world skills. America did plenty to end itself of the legacy of racism when it was the first country to fight a war to end it. The muslim countries never did that and aren't bothered by it whatsoever.

    Rooting out all forms of waste, fraud, abuse and skimming is the first step to establishing a more targeted welfare system as we enter the UBI era. It also allows us to hold billionaires accountable for shady business transactions and price gouging because we drop the mentality of "well, everyone's doing it". Social mobility will be reserved for the doers and the innovators, not the collectors.
     
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  5. JuanValdez

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    I could argue with the rest of the post too, but I don't think that will take us anywhere useful or interesting-- just a mire of you and I asserting things at one another. But, I did want to respond to this. Assume that the original law establishing this program of contracting with the small businesses of historically disadvantaged people was naive, promotes the wrong behaviors, and isn't what we now want. Do you think we need to take some legislative action to fix it, or can we have the executive branch de facto abolish it by ignoring it?
     
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  6. strosb4bros

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    Well, we have taken legislative action to fix it.

    20-1199 Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College (06/29/2023)

    Race based admission, hiring and policy was banned in 2023. This includes bans in strong blue states like California.

    We also have Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI) and the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (Equal Protection Clause).

    This was ALWAYS the view of the American people -- it was only a small group of activists in colleges that tried to make it a widespread phenomenon. As the years passed, they've been pretty clear their intention is equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity, because that doesn't result in the outcomes they want.
     
  7. JuanValdez

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    Well, that's great but the Small Business Act is still law. Your examples perhaps reflect the vibes of society. But SBA and Section 8(a) is still law. The SCOTUS case didn't touch the SBA, and no case that I know of has struck down any part of it. If the SBA violates the Civil Rights Act or the 14th Amendment, surely a case can be brought to invalidate it. So, I'll expand the scope of my question a little: do you think it should be permissible for an Admin to ignore the law, or do you have to overturn the law with either new legislation or a Supreme Court decision that declares its provisions unconstitutional?
     
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