[Reminder] The Masked Oppressors are the Cowards - That's Why They Wear Masks!

@StupidMoniker you blindly believed dhs lies which were all false. You were wrong again

 

I don't think I have ever mentioned this case. The first time I heard of it was after the shooting of Ms. Good. What are you even talking about? Are you okay?

 

Ice wearing masks for fear of being doxxed was the first major misstep.

Obviously if they got doxxed and harm came of it then legal action could be taken .

Is the idea that it's too hard to police ?

Does Trump not have faith in "law and order"

The whole idea was particularly dumb at the beginning when they weren't even wearing ****ing uniforms and you had guys in jeans and sweatshirts accosting people on the streets. No wonder they haven't been going after violent criminals , the criminals woulda ****ed em up.

You have to earn trust

Police departments know that . They dedicate efforts to community outreach because they know the damage a bad apple can do to your organizations reputation.

I've heard the "the cruelty is the point" argument to encourage self -deportations ... If they did choose that , I think it was a horrible miscalculation . **** , they offered money too .

Liberals were already hardened against Trump .

I think true independents are going to have a hard time keeping an open mind . Yes the huge illegal immigration is a huge problem, but .. anyone who still thinks "Trump is the lesser of two evils" has got.to be in the extreme minority .

Democrats can be hysterical and helpless.. but ICE is taking things to new lows.

And the whole "things are fine in complying red states" is total bs . Civil liberties are still being tossed away everywhere . We are a less safe country now than before he was elected

 

What comfort is that to them if their wife is killed? Or their son? Or their house burned down? Or a sniper shoots them as they are going to work? Or even they just aren't allowed to sleep because a bunch of r****ds are banging on drums or blasting music outside their hotel?

The idea is that "progressives" will put them and their families in danger or otherwise make their lives worse because they don't like ICE enforcing immigration laws.

Reasonable people don't have faith that the groups that doxx people won't doxx people.

The whole idea was smart from the beginning, because it has minimized the number of agents doxxed.

Fortunately, there hasn't been a big push to doxx police officers. It is a very small minority of people that want to abolish policing entirely (see the unpopularity of "defund the police").

I think everyone knew there would be a significant number that self-deport, and a greater number that do not, regardless of strategy or tactics.

I don't like using the term liberals for those people. That word has meaning, and it is not the commie trash that it is used to describe now. Progressives is a term they have called themselves, so that is what I prefer to use. Clearly progressives were already hardened against Trump, which is why they oppose Trump doing things they supported others doing.

It isn't about Trump to many people. The prescribed consequence of being an illegal immigrant is deportation. Has been for a very long time. For many years, the government has ignored, obfuscated, and obstructed that. I think it is good that we are finally starting to turn that around and enforce the law. Must be the law enforcement person in me.

I don't think ICE is nearly as low as Democrats.

There have been very few if any violent confrontations with ICE in "red" states, and there have been far more people deported. That is because it is very easy to deport people when they are already in custody and all you have to do is load them on a bus at the jail and drive them to the airport where they will be flown away. When you refuse to do that (as my state does), and instead do everything possible to avoid that happening, it makes deportation operations much more difficult, and they have to take place in public among the citizenry. Every cop will tell you, having other people around when you are trying to do a law enforcement action adds difficulty, risk to the officers, risk to the public, and risk to the suspects. They don't want you walking into their traffic stop, or their warrant service, or their gang crackdown. They all want you to get out of the way and let them do their jobs.

 

We discussed the case before about the shooting and you went running to bootlick dhs claiming the shooting was justified

"As low as the Democrats" lol DHS literally shot an unarmed citizen and then quickly went to disparage them as a domestic terrorist and lie about them. In the case I refenced above DHS hit a innocent car and then lied about the encounter and then shot her 5 times when she was completely innocent.

You liberterians who still think Democrats are somehow more evil have severe brain damage and are no different than your MAGATs

 

I can't even imagine how biased he would be as a prosecutor or whatever he claims to be.

 

I agree that the eventual criminal getting caught for doxxing is little consolation

However, I view that as a necessary risk and cost

I am much more worried about
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.c...ice-agents-to-commit-violent-crimes/18123387/

Than the admittedly small group of people that are capable and willing to doxx and do harm to ice agents families

It minimized one problem but created an entirely different problem as well as a climate of fear , even for citizens.

The idea that we should have masked agents (and again remember specifically in the beginning when these agents were not even uniformed) conducting raids in unmarked cars , grabbing people off the street ... Is just not a good idea

And although the supreme Court recently ruled the kavanaugh stop legal , I think it was a horrible decision and will likely be overturned at some point in the future .

If you read his opinion, and you look at what is happening on the ground , to me it is clear that race is being used as a primary justification and not "contributing" .

An American citizen should be free to take a walk in their neighborhood without carrying identification. Furthermore , we've seen that these detentions are not what many people would consider brief .

We are rapidly entering and entrenching ourselves in a police state . And while I'm all done making law enforcements job easier , there needs to be a balance with strong deference given to the rights of citizens .

A huge part of this debate is also the definition of a legal immigrant. Asylum seekers etc .

90 percent of Americans would be in favor of deporting violent criminals .

Do you operate under the belief that the country is reasonable, or not ?

If we are reasonable, then why has trump faced such pushback? His excuse of "the left " "fake news" and politicians riling people up can only hold so much power if indeed the country is reasonable.

I think (and trump to my knowledge almost never does this ) Trump needs to take accountability that it was HIS pushing of the envelope that led to resistance. Specifically the use of masked agents in plain clothes .

It was a mistake .

Let me give you a hypothetical, that while outlandish is not without some parallels

You would be correct to argue that immigration is largely under the federal governments purview . So is taxation .

If the next administration wins on a mandate of taxing the wealthy (say top 10 percent ) then how would you expect them to enforce it ?

Would you be opposed to increasing the powers of the IRS , having them conduct "targeted operations" in which they can apprehend non payors.

Say they are looking for people who shirk on their taxes . Would you be opposed to them conducting stops on white males aged 30-50 if data showed they were the most likely group to avoid their legal tax liability ?

I think what is going on is tyranny . There was a way to do this calmly , legally , and without throwing the 4th amendment in the trash. Yes , ice would have had to face more risk from doxxing , but it would have been worth it . The alternative has been chaotic, inefficient, and in my opinion the greatest decrease in freedom since the patriot act

You blame left /progressive agitators . I think they bear maybe a 20 percent liability. 80 percent of the blame I place on the choice of tactics by trump

 

Dictators and Tyrants have no interest in elections

Rocket River

 

The reality is they don't fear someone come to their house to fight?
Being physically harmed

They fear being sued and held accountable.

Honestly. . . I think every America should act like Trump on this one
Every interaction with ICE should have someone filing a LAW SUIT
Trump literally SUED his way in to the white house and into billions

So . . . .from now on . . .. every one should sue . .sue. . .sue

Rocket River

 

Link? I went back and looked at all of my posts since October 4th of last year (or at least what the search function found). No mention of that case.

I dislike the policies of Democrats more than those of Republicans, because they have more of a negative impact on me and are more ideologically opposed to my positions. Individual incidents do not change that calculus.

 

Delusional. What policies of Republicans? Openly selling pardons to the richest criminals ? Trump has spent more money than biden nd obama. There's nothing fiscally responsible about MAGA. You've been brainwashed my man

 

I never said anything about MAGA, I said generally, though I am not a fan of either party, I dislike the Democrats policies more. Policies like tax increases, welfare spending, being soft on crime, etc. Trump, unfortunately, is also in favor of increased spending on welfare, tax increases (via tariff in his case), being soft on crime, etc.

Did you find a post were I commented positively on that ICE shooting in Chicago yet?

 

The agency needs to be demolished. They're doing this **** to white females. Imagine how theyre treating others