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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

    84.4%
  2. NO

    15.6%
  1. GOATuve

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    I'm not sure who is going to come available. You never know. Darnold was a good find for Seattle. I just want to move on from CJ. The Ravens won a SB with Trent Dilfer. Mayfield was a reclamation project and was successful. My main issue is you can't give Stroud the contract he wants. His agent is terrible too. Mugalata is a bad dude.
     
  2. Crashlanded19

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    Get him out of Houston Caserio before he gets hurt. Somebody gone whoop his ass. The city hates him and that hate has grown even more over this past weekend. It’s not safe for him. Do the right thing and get rid of this bum.
     
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  3. Jared Novak

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    IMO CJ and his agent have no leverage whatsoever to demand a large contract extension during this offseason.

    The most likely scenario is for the Texans to pick up the 5th Year Option and make CJ prove himself over the next two seasons. If he does show that he is a franchise QB, then it will cost more on the backend, but its well worth the gamble than to jump the gun and pay him now when there are too many questions regarding his ability.
     
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  5. Hey Now!

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    The current state of CJ Stroud is absolutely, positively a long-term problem, and the offensive ecosystem around him, which bears *some* responsibility, if not a significant amount, has Caserio's fingerprints all over it.

    That's the kill shot. He has failed CJ Stroud. And given his track record, with far more misses than hits, he's more than earned a dismissal. I don't know how *anyone* can look at this past offseason and want to keep Caserio.
     
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  6. thegary

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    to start the year i hoped they knew something i didn't know, as in the o line was gonna get fixed. NOPE. and no run game... THAT WAS SO GROSS. i would rather trade CJ for scraps, build the line up and run the ball. no passing, just RUN THE DAMN BALL. trade defensive players, trade anyone you have to but RUN THE DAMN BALL. i'm out on caserio
     
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  7. Hey Now!

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    Why is this relevant? He stumbled and fumbled two years in a row, hiring a never-was and a has-been. And the process for doing so was embarrassing: he wanted to hire his Sunday school buddy until somebody reminded him that hiring an unqualified white coach with no experience to replace a one-and-done Black coach while the league was being sued for racial discrimination probably wasn't the best look.

    There's not a coach draft... *every* coach was, theoretically, available. In terms of how DeMeco arrived here, I'm guessing his long relationship with the franchise and city were much bigger factors than Caserio finally learning how to hire a competent head coach after making a fool of himself two years in a row.

    I mean, what are you even arguing here? That Caserio was instrumental in bringing DeMeco back to the franchise where his career started? Back to the city where he met his wife and started his family? You want us to believe it was plucky Nick Caserio, beating the bushes and finding some hidden gem under a rock no one had turned over, that led to DeMeco coming here?

    I think there's a much greater chance Cal (or, more likely, Hannah) told Caserio to sit this one out and they went and got Ryans.

    You thought this was somewhat related? I can't fathom the point you're trying to make here, other than pointing out other local franchises have also hired bad coaches?...

    I don't claim to know any of the inner-workings. What I do know is that the two most critical coaching decisions last offseason both had deep ties to Caserio and not Ryans (which is how Slowick wound up here - he and Ryans were buddies and came together from SF).

    I don't know if Ryans abdicated the process to Caserio this past year or leaned on him heavily or had the power stripped from him. But I find it very hard to believe the guy who condescendingly finger-wagged a reporter legitimately asking if the Texans offense was good enough to win in these playoffs was idle during the foundation of this offense being rebuilt over the offseason.

    No... the argument I want to make I've been making for a very long time now: he is bad at his job.
     
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  8. Deep Steel Truth

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    BRAVO!!!
     
  9. HillBoy

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    OK. Here’s a discussion from the r/Texans forum on Reddit about CJ from 3 years ago when he was about to enter the NFL draft. I’m posting it for informational purposes only.

     
  10. thejav

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    Crazy how accurate these takes were about him coming out of college. Total mental midget. Need a leader of men at QB.
     
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  11. Shroopy2

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    Some fairness, Mixon and Diggs did work out. Before injuries

    BUT, Caserio got cute with that approach again though doing it 3 levels worse. With a "buy low" Christian Kirk and Chubb.
    Then buying even lower with spare parts o-lineman.
    Then even lower than that, with a no-experience O coordinator.

    Or put it this way, of all the moves on offense, broken Nick Chubb was the safest predictable to perform :confused:. Yeesh

    Even on Mixon & Diggs, the contract situations seemed a bit premature reward

    Yeah that is not a satisfactory grade.
     
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  12. TheFreak

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    Yawn. He has “earned a dismissal”, and ANYONE would surely agree, brought to you by the same person who said:

    “The Texans were 3-13-1 in '22; they had no business winning 10, 10 and 12 games in the subsequent seasons. That's not how rebuilds go.”

    I’m curious as to how you think they accomplished this unprecedented rebuild (your words not mine) while simultaneously logging “far more misses than hits” (also your words)? This is surely one of the great NFL mysteries of our time if true, right?
     
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  13. K9Texan

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    Barring trading CJ, the focus needs to be on how management rehabilitates him. If CJ falls on his face again then we can draft a replacement in the 27' draft, which should have many promising QB prospects.
     
  14. K9Texan

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    If I'm Cal McNair, I'm asking how my management team ruined an all-pro, rookie, QB in only two seasons. I mean, we can draft another QB but will Houston's coaching staff destroy him too?
     
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    Apologies. I assumed I was addressing someone who realized that Culley and Lovie weren’t hired as anything more than placeholders.

    The point I until now assumed was obvious was this - teams often hire coaches to get them through down periods when they know they have no chance of being good (David Culley, Bo Porter), before settling on a long term solution (Demeco Ryans). I’ll be sure to spell it out more clearly in the future for those who have trouble fathoming such advanced concepts.
     
  17. K9Texan

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    By re-signing CJ longterm, McNair and Caserio are acknowledging that Houston management is largely responsible for his ruin. Undoubtedly they are working hard behind the scenes to rectify their horrific failure with CJ, and that is great news because we know that he can be great.
     
  18. Damion Laverne

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    If the guaranteed portion is low, a CJ extension now perhaps wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Not rushing it, though.
     
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  19. Blatz

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    Or they don't believe he is ruined or he still has potential, which he does or ...
     
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  20. MadMax

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    I think that could be a mistake. Let’s see what he does this season and go from there.
     

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