Which side isn't believing? The ones that are trying to not have their fantasy broken are the ones that watched the murder and still try to act like ICE and the Border Patrol aren't doing anything wrong. Add to it that the people who haven't conducted any investigation already seem to have come to a conclusion calling the victim a domestic terrorist and claiming that he was there to commit a massacre.
Body cams would be the only other viable information imo. Per what I have seen. Guy was murdered after an agent took his gun and accidentally discharged it. I thought there was arguable evidence against the last event but the body cams showed she tried to run him over. Case closed. This one seems to suggest the Ice agents will get jail time.
But the people that would need to bring the charges from the Federal Government aren't investigating and have publicly announced a false conclusion. They also refused to comply with a legal warrant. So it's hard to believe they will face any jail time while these people are in charge.
I think public pressure will get it done. Hopefully they are charged. There has to be accountability no matter what side you are on. I still think the guy deserves a Darwin award. Showing up to those places and getting in the scrum with a bunch of guys probably unqualified to be cops while armed. Just dumb.
Yet actions like his are the ones shining the biggest spotlight on the abuses. It's exactly what is needed.
The biggest problem is, no matter what you think of the Renee Good situation (and I disagree with you on it), the way the government handled it has emboldened ICE Agents to use more force (which is likely done by design), including and up to, murder. These dudes flat out know they can get away with it now. It's a huge problem. One I all but called out after the Renee Good murder. What that means is the Noem, Miller, and all the others that are spreading false information about these victims have become complicit in each and every murder carried out by ICE Agents, and that whatever penalty an ICE Agent gets, they should as well. And they know it, and will now protect them even more. And even if you don't think the penalty should be reciprocal, it's not dissimilar to a precedence that has been set in a case like Michelle Carter's, in the death of Conrad Roy.
Rene Good wasn't a murder. This is a weird thing to say. She was the aggressor. She tried to run someone over with a car. Body cam showed her doing this. There isn't a debate on that. She got killed while Larping. This recent one was a murder. That I can agree with.
Let the vermin live in their holes, am I right? But wait. How would you identify the people who lived in this area? How about we have them wear little yellow badges? Of course, we would need to have military secure the perimeter and not allow people in and out, so we'd need to demolish buildings around the perimeter to create a "sanitary zone" and wall off streets to close off access. That should do it. But we'd need a good way to refer to the rest of us--you know, something like the "Aryan side." We could call these places ghettos. Maybe we can ask historians and the elderly about places like Lodz and Warsaw to see how we can efficiently do this. OK guys, I just checked and there is no way to efficiently do this. Best thing to do is throw hospital patients from windows, kill the kids and elderly when there get to be too many people for the limited food we allow in, and then just end the whole thing by moving them all out to death camps. Man, you guys can't help showing your true selves.
I mean that isn't true. But they are much more led by emotion in general. There is a reason why more men vote Republican. It just is a more black and white way of things.
Don't be so dramatic. Your comrades are obstructing the removal of violent criminals who are in the U.S. ILLEGALLY, thanks to...
The public pressure you’re talking about is exactly what this guy was doing... protesting something he believed was wrong. I doubt there will be any real accountability. Under standard practice, the FBI investigates and the DOJ prosecutes. However, both fall under the DOJ, which is clearly no longer independent. Federal officers have a form of immunity from state prosecution when their actions are authorized by federal law and are necessary and proper to carry out federal duties. A state can technically prosecute, but to do so it must be able to investigate... and that investigation was blocked by federal gov. That creates a huge hurdle. Remember that VP Vance publicly said ICE officers are “protected by absolute immunity” from state prosecution because they are doing their job. The context here is clear: ICE can effectively do whatever it wants unless the DOJ steps in, which is unlikely to happen. That said, accountability can happen. If Trump supporters stand up against these illegal actions, that kind of pressure would have a significant impact. Accountability can also happen via Congress. That might not be possible until after the midterm.
Last summer, I asked about this in the Feedback forum and received no response from the administrators of this site. Seems like a good time to ask these kinds of questions again. https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/clutchfans-in-a-time-of-increased-surveillance.326884/
We definitely disagree here on the Rene Good case, and there really isn’t any reason to go through that debate again. But you know what should have happened: a proper and honest investigation. That was blocked. Multiple top prosecutors, senior leaders, and an FBI agent have resigned in protest over the DOJ’s handling of this case (including pressuring the FBI agent to drop her investigation).
Why didn't you "stand up" to the Biden Regime ILLEGALLY importing MILLIONS of foreigners? Why didn't you "stand up" when those illegals were murdering little girls?
