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Chron: Van Gundy can't stomach losing

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Faos, Nov 18, 2004.

  1. linker88

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    JVG is famous of system coach not a player coach. He demand player sacrifice for the system. That's why SF3 was suffered last season. The trade benefits SF3. I think it's much easier to run free lance offense than to run a half-court system offense. Now the system is not running smooth yet and Rox is struggling. But once the player understand the system and runs smoothly, Rox will be the team to beat. Let's give Rox some time.

    By saying that, losing to Hawks was still inexcusable. It's not the system, but mentally buckle down.
     
  2. Tyler Durden

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    We will come out arms flailing, guns blasting, and commence to romp the Knicks with flying colors.

    All these "Fire JVG!", "Amare > Yao" and other negative threads will be promptly bumped down by a slew of optimistic and euphoric posts(mostly written by me).

    A new sense of hope and sensibility will return. Until our next loss.
     
  3. GRENDEL

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    So true!
     
  4. jediknight94595

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    The players don't care about losing and are just going about their business because they do not care to win for this coach, they are uninspired by Van Grumpy.

    YnT (Yao and T-Mac) are very much alike. Both are very mellow and take things easy. Neither are emotional. This can be mistakenly seen as unmotivated or lazy. Infact they are just mature adults who are waiting to be challenged by a more sophisticated offensive system.

    YnT both would like to have a coach who is less frantic, demanding and overbearing like Van Grumpy. Van Grumpy's ideas probably seem very repetitive, robotic, trivial and simplistic to YnT.

    I think YnT are looking for the next level in coaching, someone who knows how to fully utilize their offensive skills. They know Van Grumpy is an amateur.

    YnT are like two college professors who are being forced to work at Walmart.

    If you know Bill Walsh, the NFL football coach, you would know he was an offensive genius, and promoted the West Coast Offense. He took players like Joe Montana and Jerry Rice and put them in a sophisticated system that challenged them. Both Joe and Jerry were very mellow players. They probably would have been bored on some other system.

    Thats what the Rox need, an offensive genius to challenge and inspire YnT. And someone who knows how to pick and start good offensive players like Boki.

    :cool:
     
  5. JayZ750

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    JVG clearly is around the team a lot more than us, so I'm sure he knows what's he doing.

    That said, I think the Mo Taylor starting experiment needs to end. He has played decently enough, but Juwan Howard was a big part of that trade and, imo, you just can't have him only averaging 20.6 minutes a game, while Mo is getting 27 per game. It just doesn't maximize your PF production, imo. Plus, Mo is the scoring punch they need off the bench when they often can't get anything done.

    7 games left in November. The Rockets need to go at least, at a minimum 5-2 to finish the month 9-7, which would still mean they'd have to play a lot better. 6-1 or 7-0 would be satisfying, too. :cool:
     
  6. munco

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    Does anyone think the chopsticks remark is a jab at Yao?
     
  7. Lionheart

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    I agree, Yao has great range for a big man. We should have Yao shoot from the perimeter a little bit more. Quite frankly, I'd rather have Yao shoot the 15' rather than have Jhoward shoot one of those funny little flickers that he does. Its painful watching Juwan Howard Shoot from the perimeter.
     
  8. HillBoy

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    It's not just coaching. The Rockets' problems go much deeper and if you want to look for blame start looking at the top of this organization and ask yourself why we have the NBA's oldest team that's short on speed and athleticism and appears to be complacent with losing.

    Speaking of pain, for once, I'd love for these guys to feel the same pain we feel watching their wretched play particularly on offense (which I happen to find very offensive).
     
  9. LegendZ3

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    Did JVG ever blame himself for a lost? Seems like he's alway putting someone else at fault. :rolleyes:
     
  10. Moe

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    Did you even read the article?:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  11. edc

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    I posted this in another thread, but it is also appropriate here.

    Three years ago, today...

    http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2001/11/18/kkgcolum.htm

    Change organizations, change players (twice), change the color of his tie. None of it matters, and ultimately there is no change.
     
  12. jediknight94595

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    Its like that article is about the Rox. :D

    Different teams.....same coach.
     
  13. winwook

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    Van Gundy's positive energy is overwhelming. I can't imagine why players might not enjoy playing for a coach who can only see what wrong with their game. This guy is impossible to please because he's incapable of being happy. I can't imagine that it's a lot of fun to play under Van Gundy. It's certainly not fun to watch his team play ugly and boring basketball.
     
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    Francis is doing great in Orlando. I think we need to start pointing the finger at JVG. Our offense sucks, our defense is worse than last year. Tmac has no fire, Yao looks frustrated at times, JJ is inconsistant. We need a point guard with fire that will hopefully bring some kind of emotion to this team. We'll see as the season goes on.
     
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    Given his previous history, if the Rockets don't make the playoffs this season he just might.
     
  16. rockHEAD

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    JVG now feels OUR pain!!
     
  17. Rocket River

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    i hope u not falling for that martyrdom crap

    It is my fault Yao is not rebounding. . . I need to coach him more
    IT is my fault Lue and Ward can't throw the entry pass
    It is all my fault. . .

    Easy for your boss to come to you and say
    YOU SUCK . . but u know what . .it is my fault for not motivating you
    or
    YOU SUCK . . it is my fault cause I gave you too much credit

    in the end result .. . he just basically said YOU SUCK

    Rocket River
     
  18. jediknight94595

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    Van Grumpy Koolaid = Yeah, Yao sucks. The whole team sucks. But you know what? Its all my fault. So, I get to keep my job, right? :D
     
  19. swilkins

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    This is too true. If some of these people didn't have anything to whine about, they would have nothing to say at all.

    Doom, dispair, and agony on me... wohhh
     
  20. glynch

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    Van Gundy should suck it up and quit whining to the press constantly.

    He talks like such a tough guy, but whines like a baby.

    I'm starting to wonder if Van Grumpy can be a championship coach. All whining and negative reinforemcent doesn't cut it with professional athletes or frankly most folk in a long term relationship.

    As often happens with these all- negative guys, a team can tune him out and then go into a long losing streak. If this happens can him.

    The only problem is that it tough to know whether this is just unfamilar players jelling or they are already as tired of his negativity as I'm starting to get.

    Supposedly we had to settle for 35 something year old scrubs because they were used to his whining, but you have to wonder if we should have gotten a coach who can deal with some younger players.
     

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