Do you support zero physical barriers or enforcement personnel at all US borders? I'm sure there will be a healthy amount of yes votes since apparently every liberal supports this according to @K9Texan.
LOL - of course, doesn't everyone? Actually what I REALLY support is fixing the asylum system, we need more immigration the legal way, as we are not having enough children and our economy will start to shrink in the next 15 years without immigration filling in the holes. And, K9 is a troll he isn't worth the time to even respond too....he is a complete waste of anyone's time. DD
Your political leaders certainly support open borders along with making American citizens pay for their housing, food, medical care, education, etc.
Space Ghost supports open borders! ...or more likely he didn't realize it wasn't an anonymous poll and was trying to put his thumb on the scale.
I think borders are an obsolete idea. At some point we will realize the world is a much friendlier place that doesn't rely on the hording and protection of natural resources
how else are you going to feign outrange and manufacture reason to support "but I don't even like trump its because of the leftists!!!"
Friendlier my ass breh You wouldn’t go into cartel Mexico hell sunnyside Houston Texas is dangerously breh Need a border humans are not nice to their humans breh @Salvy @RB713 @ROXRAN @Os Trigonum
unlike the hypocritical left, i prefer to represent the unwanted minority instead of the DSA who uses them as props
Fix the middle class and we'll have more babies. The naivety of thinking you can import closed off, third world communities and everything will be the same in regards to education, growth and culture is absurd.
This thread is pointless. No democrats openly called for open borders during the Biden year but that's exactly what we had. Half a million unvetted illegals coming across a month. It was only republicans and the maligned FOX news who pointed out how much damage it was doing. We don't only have problems with illegal immigration, we have legal immigration problems as well. The somali fraudsters and fraudsters all over the country came here on asylum applications and had a ton of babies to keep getting benefits. Ilham Omar gets elected and tells them where to go to congregate and work the system. 80% are still on benefits after 10 years. Only elect officials who keep the money tree flowing. It's a never ending cycle that has to stop. Times have changed. How Minnesota became a hub for Somali immigrants in the U.S. : NPR "Those people who were hired, they brought their families. And when they brought their families with them, their families of course brought their children with them," he said.
Excuse me for voting late on this issue ... I was too busy at our local libs Celebrating The Horrific Death of **** Stain Charlie Kirk party. A fun time was had by all, I don't mind saying. Next up, I going to the bank to cash my George Soros check for protesting ICE operations. But before I go, I will vote.
The U.S. founding fathers effectively did. Now, did they explicitly support zero enforcement personnel at all U.S. borders? Hard to say. But in practice, that is exactly how the early United States operated. There was no federal border patrol, no immigration laws, no federal agencies enforcing land borders, and no system for screening or restricting people entering the country. For most of the early republic, people could enter and live in the United States without federal permission. That does not mean the founders argued for “zero enforcement” as a principle. Immigration control simply was not part of their framework. Borders were understood mainly in terms of sovereignty and defense against foreign powers. Federal enforcement focused on ports for customs and tariffs, not on regulating population movement. Early federal laws addressed naturalization, meaning who could become a U.S. citizen, not who was allowed to enter or live in the country. While states sometimes imposed quarantines or limited certain groups, there was no comprehensive federal border enforcement regime until the late 19th century. So in practical terms, the U.S. operated with what would now be considered open borders, not because of a stated ideology, but because immigration enforcement as a federal function did not yet exist.
It wasn’t really needed when we were a fledgling country. Wasn’t really needed until the late 1800’s. I doubt it would have been possible (man power wise) to man the border effectively before then. Anyway, the Biden administration acted like it was the 1800’s again.
Yeap, different times bring different needs. The future will be no different. Consider 50 years from now, when the U.S. may face an accelerated population decline similar to what South Korea experiences today. Or consider 40 years from now, when climate change may have resulted in mass crop failures and water shortages, destabilizing regions and forcing massive human migration. No modern administration operates as they did in that earlier period; there were laws established and federal agencies with people on the ground monitoring the border and enforcing the law. But the laws have been recognized as vastly outdated for the last decade or two. In the past decade, the issue has become extremely political and ineffective due to a lack of willingness to address it through legislation. There have been plenty of bills and opportunities to do so, but each time, a small minority torpedoes them.
The left demands open borders and demands that poor and middle-class Americans be indentured into providing welfare for every person who wants to live here. And I thought leftists supported freedom and opposed slavery.
I rarely post in this form, but I am going to weigh in on this nuanced topic. I have a few different business locations and admittedly probably 30 to 40 people that are illegal and 30 to 40 people that are currently on legal status. I don’t believe that Trump or the other president has put a sincere effort into governing the border. And by governing, I mean a combination of closing it off and creating a quicker and more efficient asylum/amnesty process. In my opinion, 95% of the Ice agents being hired should be shipped right down to the border and the only place that the National Guard should operate in Regards to immigration is on the border as well. The process of which areas to terrorize has been politically selective and engineered by the president. Keep note that Texas has very few issues. Ask yourself why? I am not sure where you Draw the line on amnesty, but if I had to make a proposal, I would say that anybody that has been in the country over three years and can demonstrate legal employment should be amnesty with a quick process. Anyone else that can prove consistent employment and good behavior should be eligible for a slightly more comprehensive process and maybe some sort of payment to become a legal permanent resident. We should be seeking out all active felons that are here illegally, and this should be the primary job of the Ice agents that don’t work on the border. And although I do not like to interfere in other countries affairs, I think the United States needs to take a much more active role in battling the cartels For a real world, example the cost to be transported illegally over the border now has gone up about 400% and a lot of this is engineered by the cartels. This is not to mention the abuse that people, mostly women take on their journey. The vast majority of these people are not traveling from Mexico into the United States, but coming from other countries and having to track through Mexico. By all means, restrict the border, but this idea that we can spook people into not coming is crazy and this idea that we can deport them all is economically unfeasible. If they can prove good behavior and continued employment, they should be allowed to stay. Unless you are a native American, one way or the other you were brought to America because of immigration. Why would we stop that now? I would also point out that this is generally a selective process that targets Hispanics. This is not entirely 100% but I would say about 80 or 90% There are plenty of illegals in the country that are not Hispanic, and they are not being harassed. These people are taking jobs that a lot of Americans would not work and to be honest many Americans have lost basic work ethic. Should the borders be open? No we should be working toward restricting them. However, a compassionate amnesty and asylum Process that works much faster is clearly needed. And I would point out that all of these Ice agents could clearly be trained to assist in this vision.
