So what? What's your point? I'm sorry ICE left piss bottles on your street? They speed? They aren't as nice as you would like them to be? They run red lights? That's every PD in the country. Not just ICE. Chicago PD is a bunch of saints who never speed, run red lights, use vulgarities or piss where they shouldn't? Law enforcement actions are frequently traumatic for people. They shoot family dogs. They break down doors in the middle of the night in residences with families. Children scream. People witness shoot outs and people being shot to death, officers and suspects. That's life? What do you want? For us to stop enforcing our laws because of these unpleasant effects? ICE is in the business of enforcing our immigration laws and that will run the gamut from peaceable detention to violent confrontations. Fortunately they are rare. If people would stop violating our immigration laws none of this would be necessary. Maybe direct some of your ire there instead of the people attempting to enforce the laws passed by our Congress and signed into law by our president.
So hypocritical how these limp dick magas are basically pissing all over this AMERICAN CITIZEN'S grave calling her a terrorist and a lesbo but these same buffoons wanted a national day of mourning after Charly Kirk was killed and still want to punish anyone who disagrees. #PhonyTough #RichOrStupid
Do you think you're being clever misrepresenting the facts of this particular case while also framing the issue as a matter of "enforcing laws?" Do you really believe that so long as there is a political mandate to deport individuals who came here outside legal channels, it's ok to break every other constitutional value in the pursuit of that goal. Because let's be real here - ICE is not enforcing the laws within the parameters laid out by our constitution and other laws. Nor are their methods aligned with our national values (innocent before proven guilty just to name one). Fascists like yourself are ok with them trampling all over our natural rights because even if you agree with them in principle, your desire to hurt those different from you outweighs any fidelity to American values. That makes you as bad or worse than the Nazis and other groups whose entire political philosophy was underlined by bigotry and violence.
What I would like is for ICE to act like other police departments (or better). My local police department doesn't run lights, run people off the road or have 30 minutes stops to randomly choose who to make get out of their vehicles. My local police department doesn't shoot at someone for cussing them out after being detained. My local police department does not go through my neighborhood and detain people working on roofs and mowing lawns.... nor do they go door to door asking who is present in the home. My local police department was not sent with the National Guard to harass people because the Governor of the state dislikes my politics. ICE did not conduct themselves like the local or state police, they conducted themselves like a foreign occupying force. I remember telling my wife that ICE existed before Trump - that they also deported a lot of people under Obama -- and that while I do not agree with the need to deport millions of people, that their presence would have little impact on our lives. I was wrong, they acted like they were occupying Iraq or Afghanistan.
They're doing some of that, yes, as ICE has done for years. They're also detaining lawful citizens, ****-talking everyone in their path (versus being even one half professional), harassing people without cause, ignoring direct judicial directives, deporting people unlawfully, and escalating every day situations that could be handled easily without the rough stuff (see current event of shooting a woman in the face). I've studied this in detail, sad to say. Still gives me ****ing nightmares, but I had to dive deep for a project I was under contract to complete. This included substantial work with archival materials in Germany and digesting dozens of histories and letters from the time, including official government documents. Like, you can roll your eyes, but I do know of what I speak here when it comes to Deutschland. Ja, clar. In some ways, your statement, without sarcasm, is sadly true. I hate exaggeration, but let's just look at it what's before us: the activation paramilitary group where political loyalty comes before professionalism, the coordinated distribution of and weaponization of misinformation and lies, (though I'm sure you disagree with what a "lie" is anymore, but Webster's serves as a good reference, and truth still exists, despite Trump), the random bellicose stance to other nations, talks of annexing nearby lands for "security" the targeting and demonizing of marginalized domestic groups the attacks on and threats to the judiciary and institutions of learning and science in general the worship of a would-be supreme leader the inability to acknowledge any wrongdoing installing untrained sycophants in posts where they have no expertise All those things happened from 1933-1937 in Germany, for what it's worth, and by all objective evidence, they are happening now in America. Well, yeah. Plenty of those to go around, when you're talking about the full-of-themselves apes that are human beings in general.
Sadly - based on what I have seen - not all Americans are created equally - some are more important than others, and some really have no value at all. I thought we were creeping away from that idea - that we were headed towards the principle that all Americans (and ideally people) had value and the same basic human values and rights in the USA.... but that is clearly not true.
I don't care about "according to some". You can obviously see in one of the videos that an officer comes up to her car, is telling her to get out of the car, and on top of that this same officer grabs the door handle to try and open the door and at that moment she tries to speed off to get away. So again NOT doing what she was told to do. It's the same thing when a cop pulls someone over in a car, and they tell you to put your hands on the wheel so they can see what you're doing. Why do they do that? Because they have no idea who they're dealing with. Is this person crazy? There's people who are up to no good, maybe they have a bunch of drugs in the car and they don't want to go to jail. So what do they do, maybe they reach for a gun, which the officer has no idea what they're doing leaving them to react. In a situation where things can change in a split second and don't have the time to try and think about what this person may or may not being doing. So again you do what the officer tells you to do. Did this woman deserve to die? I think the bigger observation here is none of this would have happened if she had just done what she was told to do and NOT try to speed away (which one of the videos obviously shows her doing) and starts to do this with her car aimed directly at the officer.
Yes - in some cases, but not in others. I think that it is difficult because sex and race are different and have different problems in society. White women are certainly higher on the social ladder than black women or Hispanic women - but while they may be white, they are still women and in some cases having white husbands made it worse.
I’m sure you’ve probably read it…but if you haven’t…The Third Reich in Power by Richard J. Evans is an amazing book…terrifying but amazing.
I’m not sure where you’re from, but in the United States we don’t allow the government to shoot at people simply because they try to get away. There’s this whole document and some case law about it.
I don't know what country you're from but in the United States if you point your car directly at a police officer and then speed up going right at him (using your car as a weapon and putting the officer in danger) the officer has every right to defend himself.
Did you know that by 2025, Richard Evans and his book The Third Reich in Power (which is brilliant and vetted) is being labeled at Zionist and Liberal propaganda and unfairly portrays the Nazi movement and leaders? There are a number of popular "historians" on social media, podcasts and in politics that view this work as a work of fiction.
Side question: Why does that weirdo always have a beanie on? It could be August, and that dude has a stupid beanie on. Is that like a Cartman thing or something I just don't get??
