We Should All Be Concerned About ICE Murdering a Citizen in Minneapolis

It's marketing to fearful, angry, hateful and dangerous people which is really the problem with it all. Unfortunately, those are very powerful emotions that get people to vote and distracts them from the real stuff that the politicians are doing.

 

My views are 100% with your post and have been for well over a decade. You articulated everything quite well too.

I have been saying for the longest time that this all boils down to opportunity and employment. You can not have an open border. There could have been options to make sure there’s a process instituted that you can only hire legally making it punitive to not to.

They wanted that cheap labor. You have cheap labor here and you have everything else outsourced. Trade is great but maybe the whole capitalist thing will get worked out one day and more people will benefit. The opportunity is there.

 

I absolutely knew you were going to talk about anti-trans hysteria without even having to read your post.

Somebody else made this point. If you listen to Theo Von or joe Rogan all the time, you have been successfully coopted in the belief that "democrats" - and remember it is always just "democrats" - are doing THINGS to do with trans rights rather than listening to *you personally*

Do you know how much "Democrats" spent proactively talking about trans-related issues at all in 2024? If you take the average democratic elected office candidate, teh nubmer is probably holding steady at zero percent. To the extne they talk about it (to take the highly controversial position that state should not legally harass it citizens based on gender identity) it's in response to qestions that media types (who watch the 9 billion tv ads run by Republicans on the subject) give to them.

Somebody posted this bullshit a few months back, a Theo Von rant about how Democrats needed to stop campaigning on trans rights if they want his vote. How are they supposed to stop doing a thing they are not doing?

That said, mother****er, trans rights are human rights and the LGBTQ folks *were absolutely right* that letting the GOP demonize trans people as subhuman for the last decade was simply the first step in what is effecitvely a campaign of terror and genocide agaist all people. First they come for the trans, they deport innocent people to torture prisoins in El Salvador, they have armed thugs shooting mothers in the face as they drive away.

Like I said, it's all related. There's no universe where you draw a nice line of treating some people as subhuman chattel and others as deserving of basic human dignity and respect.

 

Thanks for checking in and take good care. Be strong, be smart (which is always more or less true with you anyway).

 

The bullshiit came from your lying booty hole.

 

this is true, but the trans panic is especially silly to me

they’re such a tiny fraction of the population, and 99% of them don’t even bother anybody

the vast majority of people don’t even know a single trans person in real life or have had any meaningful interaction with one, yet there’s all this attention and hatred towards them…make it make sense

How do random trans people you don’t know and will never meet have any effect on your life whatsoever?

and you’d swear trans people just started existing a few years ago or that a trans person is some new phenomenon

they became a new culture war victim because they’re such an easy target and there’s so few of them

 

No one deserves to be shot like that. At the same time, why are we stalking these agents out doing their jobs? There will be more incidents like this because they are poorly trained and especially poorly trained to handle people messing with them while performing their duties. The poorly trained officers aren't new but forcing them to go off script is becoming prevalent. I think that dude should be prosecuted but I don't think he woke up yesterday thinking I am going to shoot someone who is driving their vehicle at me.

 

Honestly, there has been so much documented that disputes the lies being told by the bad ICE officers that it's a good thing people are filming these incidents. The worst part is that like you said, these are poorly trained officers, and many probably shouldn't even be doing that job. There are lots of guys who seem to take extreme pleasure belittling others and using excessive force in that job, and that's what's concerning.

 

I don't know, it sounds like every case of police brutality we've discussed on the bbs in the last 2 decades. LEO needlessly turns up the heat on an interaction, doesn't like how a civilian reacts and escalates with deadly force, and then claims reasonable fear and self-defense and all the usual suspects run to his defense. It's just this time the president is also throwing his weight in; otherwise it is no different. If we should all be concerned about this case -- and we should be -- we have lots of other cases to also all be concerned about.

 

Regardless of why she was there, people put their lives in harm's way for what they believe. Protest or volunteer as legal observer or whatever it is, they have the right and these rights are bedrock principles of a free society. Officials with lethal weapons should have better training and standards. Unfortunately, what we've seen is that ICE has lowered standards, and proper training to respect these bedrock rights is probably non-existent. It's more likely that ICE officials have been trained to disrespect them.

 

My man! Let me know when you’ll be back in Houston!

 

Ah, yes. Law enforcement has always been a career that is entirely predictable. Nothing chaotic ever happens.

Come on. Going "off script" is part of the job description. They constantly work in the space between societal order and individual disorder. It's why we allow them to carry guns and arrest people. Every law enforcement officer should be able to think through difficult situations and be aware of new conditions. That these guys can't do that without murdering someone, well, that says it all right there. That they are trained poorly, react with inordinate amounts of force, and not given any education or experience in community relations is all intentional.

 

OK. They are getting plenty of experience with that right now. It doesn't look like the local or state police are helping much currently. It appears the dude who shot got drug a few months ago so he probably had a lot going through his smooth brain when he fired. Me or you wouldn't have shot but the video doesn't exactly show that he was out of danger.

 

Exactly! Better yet, show the body cam footage of the agent the President claimed she ran over. I would love to see the reasoning based on facts for Noem to claim she was a domestic terrorist. Honestly, they should both be keeping their damn mouths shut until all proper investigations have been done. The body cams should show a lot, and if they weren't wearing them, or they weren't turned on. then we have an even bigger problem when it comes to agents with guns hiding their actions.

 

And the guy's phone, which he was holding up as if videoing before he pulled his weapon.

I think Josh Marshall is correct in saying this will not play well with most Americans:

The message is pretty simple. Your cities are a war zone, and any false move, any transient moment of non-compliance or any fidgety moment of misunderstanding can mean your death. Top Trump officials are saying emphatically that this is exactly how it should be and I don’t think that will stand.

 

The problem is that the left responds which makes it an political issue that gets their based fired up.

 

the left politicians ran away and hide from the trans issue

 

The fact that ICE agents are getting paid more than some teachers should tell you something.

Can't control the masses if they're educated.