Considering the flash from corner 3 last season and the way his free throw improved this season (over 80% isn't just improved, that's legit league average is 78%) I know there's reason to believe in the progress he's made. I'll even say when he shoots from 3 now, the misses aren't trash ass misses. They're usually on line just too strong, he's not missing wide left/right a lot. There's still a mentality though, of "I'm not a good shooter" which... on one hand may be true but on the other you can't have that as part of your process on the floor. I mean it feels like he can get to the elbow basically at will. If the extension of his free throw development is a consistent middy from the free throw line, that is acceptable imo. You wouldn't really be able to play off of him and let him walk into a 15ft-er that he's knocking down consistently. You can't really play off of him in the corner, because he has shown a bit of skill hitting that shot but if you play off of him he'll cut and get an easy bucket. If he's getting into that free throw area and nobody flashes open I want him taking the shot instead of picking up his dribble and having to make a desperation kickout pass.
last 10 games https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?DistanceRange=By+Zone&TeamID=1610612745&LastNGames=10 also in last 10 games, second to KD in TS% https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612745&dir=A&sort=TS_PCT if you want a winner, someone who makes sure the team outscores the opponennt when ever he's playing, no front-running, doesn't chuck it's Amen leads starters in Net Rating and Minutes https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?LastNGames=10&TeamID=1610612745&dir=A&sort=TS_PCT 2nd to KD in BPM and FT% https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional?CF=MIN*GE*22&TeamID=1610612745&dir=A&sort=PLUS_MINUS @Mathloom why can't you give Amen the same amount of patience and trust you gave for your front-runing, chucking. loser?
His lack of a jumpshot as a play initiator is bad for this offense, which was what he was forced to be when Sengun. The fact that this team doesn't really have a good play initiator outside of Sengun? Yeah that's the bigger issue.
You were quoting year to date stats. I was just pointing out that the recent trend is moving in the direction we want it to. It was an abysmal start and it will take the rest of the season to normalize the stats even a little bit. If he keeps improving the rest of the year it would portend that next year he will be even better, although his full season stats will look like he barely improved. Trends are important. It is also his first 30 games as a starting guard with more scoring and passing responsibilities so it is a bit unfair to say it’s been 3 years and he is barely getting better statistically. Also remember he has barely started a full season full of games regardless of position. Context matters.
Not his fault. This team will be one round and done. Unfortunately, after KD, Alpi, and Amen….this team SUCKS!!! Watch last night’s game and you’ll understand that we have no third scorer or for that matter any offensive talent other than those three guys and Amen is not listed there for his offensive prowess. He’s just a darn good player.
Kidd didn’t exploit Amen last night. He got lucky that all out three point shooters were cold and the refs got Kd in foul trouble. Amen played great last night penning this game on him is beyond stupid.
Amen is playing out of position. Again, once we get PG settled this year, he can go back to impacting the game in a myriad of ways.
They did work on their jump shots. There were stories going into the draft about how they would take hundreds of attempts in a night. I think they just had bad shooting coaching for a lot of their careers, plus long wingspans (makes it more difficult to keep mechanics in line) and not really needing to take them in actual game-time pressure situations because they could just dominate everybody with their athleticism. I don't think Amen's lack of a jump shot is "killing us" though. It's just something to be worked around right now, and hopefully he'll improve in the future.
People need something to complain about. Amen is doing great on both the offense and defensive end. Like you said, he's good at both freethrows and in the mid-range, I can live with that! Sengun is just as bad at as a 3-point shooter and I don't see anyone complaining and he's primarily an offensive player.
His mid-range has been inconsistent. Looked good last night. Other nights not so much. I’ll admit that I hoped it would be a little better in year 3, but I’m willing to buy that he eventually develops a solid mid-range jumper. What’s killing us is the 3pt efficiency under 20%. He’s only averaging about 2 attempts a game, but it’s been over 3 attempts the last 5 games. He recently had a game with 5 3pt attempts. That’s just not okay. Those are wasted possessions. There’s always better shot than Amen taking a 3. Opposing team want him to take 3’s; it’s part of their game plan. If Amen can adopt some better restraint on the 3pt shooting, I’m happy with most everything else offensively. His assist to TO is 2:1, which is pretty decent for a guy learning the position. He’s starting to play more down hill and is doing a lot more around the rim. He’s also playing better defensively. we just need more discipline with guys like Amen and Sengun taking 3’s. It’s the worst part of their games and we now have some really good long range shooters in the rotation. We cut that out and we’ll be much better for it. Amen is our best young core player. Believe it!
Yup, heck if just Jabari and Reed play their normal averages we win the game comfortably probably. But they both were cold as ice. Super weird to call out Amen for last night lol
I like to think I’m pretty objective. When Amen has a bad game I call it. If he has a good game and making progress I call it. Same with Reed. Same with Jabari. What irritates me the most is fans that can’t acknowledge when their favorites have weaknesses or poor games, or when they act like Ime is immune to criticism because we were a 2 seed last year. Overall, our young players are all making good progress and I expect Amen, Reed, and Jabari will continue to improve all year. Not so sure about Ime, but am trying. When he runs out lineups that feature Tate, Holiday, and Reed for almost a quarter. I have my doubts.
Agree with all of this. I think we are all disappointed and it's only because his potential is high. I'm not interested in some Kirilenko 2.0 player. I see a potential star, and both he and the team have to treat the situation as such.
He is well on his way. As disappointed as I am with his jump shooting this season, everything else is looking fine, and overall he's on track to be a Jimmy Butler level of player, a two-way jack-of-all-trades whose only real weakness is jump shooting. And still potentially more than that if the shooting comes around.
Love his overall game, but when he shoots a 3 it's basically a turnover. He might as well be kicking the ball into the crowd.
lets just do that total points assists rebounds steals blocks divide by total misses and turnovers Amen is first among starters I know Amen's 3 ball is bad. Question is at what volume is he taking them and what are his other contributions. He needs to work on his 3 ball hopefully he can fix it soon like his FTs in the mean time just don't take too much of them
