Says one of the bigger cry babies, ironically Sengun and Reed for Giannis and Ryan Rollins sounds about good to you?
Maybe. He's already showing real signs of decline. He's missed games and been injured in the playoffs basically every season since his championship run. It's visibly affecting his defense at this point. Even if Sengun never quite gets there, and I think there's a chance he might, I still might rather have 10-15 years of Sengun as a top 10 guy than a few injury-riddled years of Giannis as a top 5 guy. It's a question of, not just what increases our championship odds more, but also what will give us a longer window of enjoyable competitive basketball before having to rebuild again. I just think the kind of guy you give up Sengun for is only a legit MVP contender in his 20s at this point. Since those guys almost never become available without legendary levels of GM incompetence, he's effectively/practically untouchable.
I don’t disagree really, I’ve always said i don’t want Giannis (though mainly because i don’t like him). The injury stuff is the only knock though, sengun will absolutely never come close to what giannis is currently and will be for a few more years. I don’t find sengun enjoyable at all though, it’s just endless flailing and complaining every time he touches the ball, it’s pretty awful. Has he had a single post up where he didn’t at some point try to sell a call this season?
I don't like his complaining either, it's what annoys me most about his game. Especially when he doesn't get back on defense. I'd personally say the odds are low he ever becomes as good as Giannis, but not nonexistent. Still only age 23. He would have to take another big step forward to get there, but it's not impossible until he starts getting into his late 20s and past his physical prime.
Odds he reaches jokic level i think at this point are in the 0.000001% range, odds he reaches giannis is probably around 1 in 500? Something like that?
Yeah, IDK. This version of Giannis or MVP/championship Giannis? I'd say better odds than that for this injury-prone, no longer all-defense version who barely merits top 5 status, if at all. Fans usually underestimate just how hard it is for a young guy to become the best player in the world. It's slim that any of our players gets there. But there is room for him to move up the player rankings and still not get to that level. And he probably will, at least a little bit. So, it's not entirely an either/or.
It would be stunning if he got to this level of Giannis. By any metrix he’s still a legit mvp level guy, much as I don’t like him.
I really do not think the Rockets should make desperate team moves. People really sell our young team short just because they are comparing it constantly to OKC, OKC wasn't built in a day, and if OKC ended up traded parts for some possibly declining superstar they would not be OKC. I'd rather bet on the guys we have and their growth as players and as a team. It's not always perfect, but we're all whining about basically being tied for 2nd with like 4 other teams. Calm down. No panic moves. No desperate moves.
I’m not a supporter of a Gianiss trade, but I do agree that Sengun would probably need to be the main asset we shall give in such a trade. Because if we offer FVV, some other contracts and picks - our offense would be truly jammed when combining The freak, Alpi and Amen all in the same lineup. With Giannis instead of Sungun, we can keep the current lineup, Bari would be our starting 5, and Adams would have a bigger role and responsibility coming off the bench. Again, I don’t support such a change, but if we are going after Giannis, trading out Alpi would be the more appropriate way of doing it.
Sengun is a couple days away from physically dominating Gianni's one on one. It's called leverage and power plus skill that destroys Gianni's dwindling athleticism. OP is a complete moron.
You can say the odds that any NBA player in history is as good as Giannis is less than 1%, so there’s that. The context worth noting is that Sengun is 23 and Giannis is past his prime and getting injured a lot. It would be insanely stupid for the Rockets to trade Sengun for Giannis much less add other valuable resources.
lol at Jabari starting at center. Did you watch last night’s game? Big centers are already a problem for us.
With League Pass there is nothing keeping the OP from following his favorite player rather than asking the team to make what would be the dumbest trade since Dallas sending Luka to the Lakers. I am sure there is a Bucks forum out there somewhere so he can talk about his favorite player. That being said, if Alpi is as bad as the OP foolishly thinks he is, why would the Bucks trade Giannis for him?
That's a rosier outlook on his future and longevity than I have. But one more thing to think about, you said Sengun will never be as good as he is now (true), but when will Sengun surpass him? Like in what calendar year will Sengun be the superior player? Because here you mention Giannis will be "top 10" for a few years, but I think we can both agree it's reasonably likely that Sengun is also top 10 during his prime, right? How would you feel making this trade 3 years down the line if Giannis is the 9th best player in the league, and Sengun is the 7th best player in the league? Personally I think Giannis has 1 or 0 more years of being at the tip top MVP level, and I think it's likely Sengun is better than him after about 2 years, but I'm predicting a massive Giannis dropoff. Anyway I just remembered you said you don't want to make the trade anyway, so I don't really need to convince you personally that it's bad. But I'm just going to post my thoughts in here anyway in case anyone else wants to see.
I don’t really see why you think he will drop off so young without a major injury. I know the idea is that his game is all based on athleticism but even those guys don’t lose it so young. Shaq you can say basically was done at 34 but he was also very outa shape and lazy, giannis is neither. The biggest risk for him is everyone getting sick of how shai plays and the nba getting rid of the off arm pushoffs and all that crap. If FVV was healthy, i actually would not be against doing that trade because you would get such a massive upgrade for this year and the next couple.
Yeah that’s a valid argument. Then perhaps Ime would fulfill his desire and start Adams, Bari would come off the bench as pf and Capela would be main backup C. Though it will not resolve the spacing issues we’re having.. Either way, I don’t support this move in general, but I still think giving Alpi is the only way such a trade can happen.
