Would you rather have Jabari or Mobley in 2026-2030?

I also think Chet is the best of the bunch. The only thing about Chet is injury risk.

Mobley IMO is a better overall player than both Duren and Smith after his 3pt shooting has improved to respectable level. His offense has taken a leap and is better than Duren. I think CFers tend to underrate Mobley. His issue is his motor. Does he have the competitive fire as the second best player on a contender?

Duren also takes a leap this season. Interestingly, both of those guys took leap in their fourth season. Jabari has also improved this season but not a huge leap. If he does, we'll be a legit contender.

I wonder what kind of contract Duren is going to get.

 

It doesnt matter as being overpaid the team they are on lack the money to make a good team. Cavs are a good example of this when Mobley was on a rookie scale they were pretty good.

Now they are paying Mobley his money so they lost Okoro and Ty Jerome suddenly they suck now.

 

Mobleys issue is his contract. He has turned into a very good player. If they all made the same money:

1. Duren (Dwight 2.0)
2. Mobley
3. Jabari

Given their contracts IMO:
1. Jabari
2. Duren
3. Mobley

Chet has insane injury risk I wouldnt him at all no matter how good he looks. He already 2 major season injuries in just 4 yrs of play lol.

 

Contracts used to be not a huge problem if the owner is willing to pay. You could have two max contracts and still be able to field a pretty deep team. With the apron rules, it's getting hard to get high quality role players if you have two guys paid like superstars.

OKC is going to face some difficult choices now that their young guys are graduating from their rookie contracts.

 

**** Mobley

 

Agreed. this is karma for all that crap him and his dad raised in the draft.

 

Chet is too indecisive at times, that made him Wemby's biatch......Wemby bullying him and living inside his head rent free is not going to work.

He has to grow a pair and take it to Wemby and shove it up his French behind...... Wemby is pretty strong mentally but can be had ....

Spoiler

But no question, I think Chet can become Durant 2.0, I think he has more offensive potential and skills than Wemby but Wemby is more impactful on Defense though.

 

Duren is a huge reason Detroit is the best team in the East. He should be an All Star this year. He's been a better player than Evan this year and just does his job better. I think Mobley is the KAT of defense. Incredibly overrated and doesnt do anything particularly elite. People think he's like Bam Adebayo or something and he isnt. In a re-draft he would go behind Cade, Sengun and Barnes.

I would take Franz over him as well as Franz doesnt handicap my team construction. Chet or Jabari are usable tools that can be parked anywhere on offense and defense. Mobley is a great help defender but not much good at anything else and he's a 65% FT shooter. He really isnt good but there are media members that are sticking to their guns about rating him highly early on.

He isn't a piece you build around. He's just a guy. And now he's a guy with an untradable contract.

 

Considering all things, Performance, IQ, Health, etc. who do you build around if given the opportunity?

Mobley ------------- '21-2
Wagner ------------- '21-8
Sengun ------------- '21-16
Banchero ---------- '22-1
Holmgren --------- '22-2
Smith Jr ------------ '22-3
Duren -------------- '22-13
Wembanyama -- '23-1

I guess IDIOT

 

I’d take Corey Kispert over any of these guys. 40% from 3, great attitude, elite versatile defender.

Victor Wembanyama is probably better in a vacuum but if you consider Corey’s 13.5 mil salary vs a rookie max it’s easier to build a team around.

 

Now we know you are just a troll, unless this was sarcasm.

 

I'd much rather have Jabari, I think Mobley is super overrated and even if they were at the same salary I would probably still take Jabari. But especially considering his contract, I'll take Jabari and it's not close.

 

It's carry-over from the Green/Mobley debates where most of these opinions were formed by CF posters in defense of Green and I don't think many have really even watched Mobley play much other than against the Rockets. He's really good. He's one of the most versatile defenders in the league. He can guard 1 through 5 and protect the rim. When they played and beat the Spurs Atkinson basically matched his minutes with Vic's. He's also really good at finishing lobs and can hit open 3s. He also creates some off the dribble for himself and others.

That by itself is a really good player. No worse than top 25 in the league. The big question with him is whether there's another level where the dribble creation really comes together and he's a ~22+ ppg scorer and whether he's aggressive enough to really want that. He didn't make a leap in his second year like a lot of folks anticipated and instead of a leap that was expected this year he's backslid a little with the Cavs generally.

Jabari is a little better at catch and shoot 3s but beyond that is not better at a single aspect of basketball than Mobley and Mobley is much better than Bari at some things. He was second team All NBA last year. I get the argument about contract value to an extent but people saying Bari is better is like saying Sengun is better than Jokic or Amen is better than Giannis. It's just a ridiculous homer opinion.

 

I can agree that Mobley is better than Jabari and probably always will be. Jabari is a better 3 pt shooter and getting better. He is also getting better off the dribble and in the mid-range. I’m not sure on guarding the perimeter, because like you said I haven’t watched Mobley play that much. What is apparent to me is that Jabari has a very strong work ethic and is a good team player, I’m not sure Mobley has that same fire. Mobley’s contract would make it impossible for the Rockets to Max out Amen and Sengun. So if you want Mobley on this team it would be as a Sengun substitute not a Jabari substitute.

 

Right. And FWIW I said earlier in the thread that if I had a decision to have Mobley on his contract or Jabari on his with this roster and not really factoring in the ability to realize on value of players by trading them I'd rather have Bari. Figuring out how to work Mobley's deal in would be a mess and would mean making decisions I really don't want to make. My guess is Mobley still has more trade value around the league on his deal than Bari does on his, even with the current CBA but there's no way to prove that. I think trading Bari would probably be easier though. I'm for sure taking Alpi on his deal over Mobley without a second thought.

 

Wemby is he stays healthy
Sengun otherwise

 

I'd say whatever @Hemingway says, then do the opposite.

 

To those who mention Jalen Duren, one thing comes to my mind: Contract year player. I think once the ink is dry on his extension, he'll morph closer to the 12/10 player he really is. If the Pistons give him the 5yr/$200M contract "insiders" supposedly think he'll get, oh well.