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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Nook

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    In 2019 Russia controlled 7% of Ukraine.

    In early 2022 Russia invaded Ukraine and in months controlled 30% of Ukraine.

    Russia right now controls 20% of Ukraine after nearly 4 years of war.

    Russia has taken 1% of Ukraine over the last year.

    Something could break at any point in time - but the last 3+ years of the war has shown Russia lose half the land they gained early in the battle.

    At this point it is a complete stalemate with Russia and Ukraine.

    The idea that Russia will just trample Ukraine has been proven to be false. It will be 4 years of war in February and Russia doesn’t have a lot to show for it.

    This isn’t even a Vietnam scenario because the fatality figures Vietnam were like 3:1 VC for US fatality.

    Every war is different but this hasn’t been a good invasion for Russia so far, and as more time goes on - the less time that Trump will be in office and the more time the EU has to build up.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Byron York is always fun
     
  3. No Worries

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    The Captain ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

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    Maybe yes. Maybe no.

    When the bond market freaked the f*ck out about his crazy *ss tariffs, trump backed the tariffs off a bit.
     
  6. The Captain

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    That’s not him, it’s his oligarch masters.
     
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    The Christmas Marked in Krakow's Square is a great experience.
     
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    As of this week, Trump is still attacking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, alleging that he hadn't even read the peace plan proposal. On Tuesday, the pressure campaign continued as the U.S. tried to convince Zelenskyy to approve the proposal, Axios reported.


    There is ZERO chance that Trump has read the peace proposal. ZERO.
     
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    I am pretty certain that if you asked him to read any multipage doc & repeat back what he read - he would not be able to

    Hence all the cognitive tests
     
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    tramp was never serious about stopping russia, he kissed ass and putin told him to FU.......................tramp is a p***y who doesn't realize what russia will do in the future, nor does he care, he just wants to appease the dictator who probably has something on him
     
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    In part due to our acting in Russia's best interests, intentions on dismembering NATO, and also because of designs on Greenland, Denmark identifies the United States of America as a potential security concern in their latest intelligence assessment. That seems a bit restrained, what with including the word "potential."

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/10/euro...5390029&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

    Anyway, that's where we are right now and the Danes are not wrong.
     
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    So you expect that the "break at any time" in your claimed stalemate will be Ukraine driving the Russias out of all of Ukraine? I think the break will likely be soon and Ukraine will likely lose all of the for Oblasts Russia is claiming and probably also the old Russian City of Odessa leaving Ukraine landlocked. All because the US i.e NATO wanted to expand.

    I suggest you supplement the mainstream narrative with say an article about the book "Provoked" by Scott Horton. The book which I have not read is very long and detailed about the lead up to the Ukraine War. Also try https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/wgtgma5kj69pbpndjr4wf6aayhrszm. a relative short piece.
     
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    By posting this crap you have lost the ability to ever point the finger at someone else for spreading one-sided propaganda.

    Again, you continually remove any agency that Russia and Putin have. They are just like a wild polar bear or something that doesn’t have the ability to control this own actions.

    Sweden and Finland didn’t even think about joining NATO until Putin invaded Ukraine. NATO expansion is a self fulfilled prophecy in most cases.

    Post Reagan, much of the expansion had very little to even do with Russia. The biggest expansion of all was the Prague summit in 2002 which led to Lithuania, Latvia, etc. joining mostly due to the Western alliance forming post 9-11 and the US really harping on the need to respond globally to share intelligence and prevent terrorist attacks in Europe.

    Yes you can blame George W for taking advantage of the situation and maybe he had intentions of provoking Putin, but keep in mind that publicly not far after that I believe, W said the “I looked into his eyes” statement during that press conference speech.

    Yes if China or Russia started militarily alliances with Costa Rica, the Nicaragua, then Gautamala, we would rightfully be concerned about their influence to eventually be at our border in Mexico… However we would hopefully also talk about what the US has done as well to attribute to that, and objectively talk about why China or Russia started an alliance with China instead of seeing the US as a viable ally.

    Again, if Russia didn’t suck so bad at everything, then maybe Latvia, Lithuania, etc. would be like yeah… let’s work with those guys. Russia has more natural resources, and in the past had some of the brightest most talented scientists and people in the world. Yet under Putin’s watch has been a laughing stock in terms of growing a viable economy and creating opportunity for his country. The only way he can grow is by invading a small neighboring country???… that’s weakness and that’s on him and his piss pour leadership.

    If you want to talk objectively about this great, but don’t post this crap the point the finger at anyone else ever for posting what you then call out as propaganda.
     

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