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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

    84.4%
  2. NO

    15.6%
  1. tmacfor35

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    Again, all your energy is tearing down your "teams" Qb to prop up the one on another team.

    Make it make sense.

    Considering its completely irrelevant because that player will never play on the team.

    What is the obsession? As pointed out. Its weirdo behavior.

    I have been critical of Stroud. Not sure what you are talking about there.

    As a fan of the team first. I also feel the need to point out that saying Davis Mills should start or that CJ is a bottom Tier QB in the NFL is completely brain rot intelligence. There are two of you who have this weird personality behavior where you can't be wrong. You have to win an argument no matter what? Again, your energy day after day is something that is irrelevant to the Texans. Do us all a favor and go support the Patriots. Its ok to be critical of the QB, but to constantly talk and compare him to other irrelevant situations in order to tear the home team player down day after day.... IT IS ****ING WEIRD.
     
  2. cmoak1982

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    The guy who doesn’t reply, always replies. It’s a compulsion.

    You’re straight up lying, your game thread posts crap on every other Texan except CJ. If there’s a critique, it’s “you have to make that throw CJ” followed by a he needs help, he can’t do it by himself, that throw was perfect but the receiver didn’t run the right way.

    I never said start Mills. But Mills is more consistent.
    Never said CJ is bottom tier, he’s perfectly average. Great then bad. Averaging to the middle.

    And I’m not advocating for Maye, it’s the people trying to compare CJ to the top guys in the league-he’s not and hasn’t been for a while.
    I am a fan of honesty.

    The CJ fan boys want to tear down Maye (probably because he’s white) see how that works.
     
  3. cmoak1982

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    As I’ve said before, I want CJ to be the guy. He proved me wrong about him his rookie season, I gladly accepted that fact.
    The standard is set, he has not played up to his standards the past two seasons.
    We can put qualifiers or excuses for the reasons why, but regardless, he has not played at a top 10 level. I’m sure he would agree.
    I hope for the Texans sake and the TRUE Texans fans sake he gets back to that level and above. Then I will defend him against anyone.
     
  4. jch1911

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    I am over here watching the back & forth (popcorn in hand).

    Not trying to get into y'all's conversation, but....

    maybe what we saw in CJ's rookie season was prime CJ & it won't get any better? (Not a personal belief)

    Also, CJ played a lot of off-script football in his rookie season... coincidence or not with his success?

    Even against KC... some of CJ's best plays / passes were during utter chaos.

    Maybe we just need to let the man cook.... Chef CJ!
     
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  5. Hey Now!

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    Has he said CJ *is* the problem? I certainly haven't heard him say that. So, other than general platitudes about execution, and what not - Ryans really hasn't offered any definitive statements on just who he might be holding responsible for the offense, yes?

    We'll get an idea at the end of the season because, as has been pointed out to you several times: he defended Slowick all of last year, too, before firing him - which is why I'm not putting a lot of stock in his in-season assessments.

    My guess is Caley and Stroud will be back, and, fingers crossed, they'll throw actual resources into improving the OL, RB and TE.
     
  6. Hey Now!

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    Conveniently qualifying opponents for just Stroud (while leaving out his game v SF) and not Maye isn't an obvious tell at all.
     
  7. Nick

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    Will Levis, Will Levis, Will Levis… the only reply necessary if trying to match wits with the resident QB experts…
     
  8. cmoak1982

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    So you want me to include another game against a hurt defense.
    I included that game along with the other games without Baltimore and Tennessee.
    He has 6 tds and picks with a completion percentage around 60%
     
  9. cmoak1982

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    It’s because you specifically can’t match wits.
    It’s the reason you’re lying about what I said about Levis.
    It’s ok though, you have no idea what you’re talking about so that’s all you got.

    I suggest you stick to the Astros subsection
     
  10. TheRealist137

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    The Patriots have not faced any team in the top 10 in PPG allowed stat. The best defense Drake Maye has faced has been the Buffalo Bills, which are 14th best in the NFL.

    The Texans have faced 8 teams with better defenses than the best defense Drake Maye has faced his entire season.

    It's a absolute cupcake schedule, all stats he is padding are irrelevant in this sense.
     
  11. cmoak1982

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    The advanced stats say he’s been elite, the same ones that some here use to claim CJ is a top 10 guy.
    Plus he’s an MVP candidate on standard metrics.
    Plus the eye test. Plus carrying a nobody list of supporting cast.

    You might not like it, you may not agree, but facts and majority of unbiased people know Maye has been elite this season.
     
  12. TheRealist137

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    If the Texans played the exact schedule that Patriots did, CJ would be in the MVP convo too.
     
  13. TheRealist137

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    ppl do not fathom how weak the Patriots schedule is. No, it's not your run of the mill last place team schedule. It's historically weak.

    all of Maye's stats need to have a huge asterisk, he should be graded on a curve.
     
  14. cmoak1982

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    No he wouldn’t. Because he’s not as accurate.

    You do realize, people a lot smarter than you that do statistics weigh sos right? That’s the whole point of advanced metrics.
     
  15. Kemahkeith

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    This is where I have a problem.
    The length of time one has been on this board is not an indicator of how much a person likes this team or how knowledgeable they are about the Texans.
    You have been on this board far longer than I, but please check out my profile on Texans Talk. This is not the only Texans board in town.

    I can see validity in both sides of this argument.
    But since you were willing to basically die on a hill for Levis. Well, you lost all credibility in any argument on here to me at least.

    Don't dislike your posts because I find your Tete a Tete's quite amusing.
     
  16. cmoak1982

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    I’m tired of the lies about me willing to die on a hill for Levis. That is completely fabricated and a misinterpretation.
    Bryce was QB1, Levis/AR were above CJ. I didn’t even want a QB in that draft. I was very firm on wanting Anderson.
    The only thing I ever argued is I didn’t want CJ and that Levis/AR were much higher upside prospects physically.

    It’s funny that you and others choose the white QB to say I was attached to, when Bryce was literally the only QB I would have taken at 2. That’s fact.

    You’re usually pretty easy going, but to be honest I don’t care if you think I have credibility or not. You jumped in, during an argument and chose to go after me, when I’ve said nothing but factual statements backed up by actual data.
    I’ve been on multiple forums since the Texans inception and season tickets since inception, saying I’m not a fan because I call out our QB that isn’t performing to the standards he set is BS.
    If you co-sign that, that’s on you. I don’t need to have conversation with you either. You don’t offer much in terms of football takes to begin with.
     
  17. Kemahkeith

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    Two things:
    I said I see both sides of the argument.
    I never once accused you of favoring Levis and Maye because of skin color.

    I mean I saw how the whole Levis thing played out.

    Oh, BTW my parents had Oilers season tickets does that mean I'm a better fan than you?
    I think not.

    Oh I just saw your last sentence.
    I do not feel a need to argue with folks about things like Pitre. Many were ready to run him out of town because of his missed tackle rate early on in his career. Look at him now.
    I have no need to be right on any subject here.

    I come here to gain knowledge of the team I have supported since day one, and being displaced from Houston, this board is my best way to do it.

    Sorry, that does not meet your criteria.

    Last Edit:
    I in no way doubt your fandom. Why else would you be so passionate about subjects.
     
    #7217 Kemahkeith, Dec 12, 2025 at 1:50 PM
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2025 at 1:57 PM
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  18. cmoak1982

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    If you saw the Levis thing play out then you know you’re being dishonest.
    Levis was not “my guy”

    You quoted me for saying I’ve been here longer than a guy who said I wasn’t a fan because I criticized our QB. I didn’t bring fandom up, yet you chose to quote me.

    Im glad you have a space to gain knowledge. I have literally never said anything negative about you until you falsely claimed I’m a Levis guy so now I have no “credibility” in your eyes.
    You can choose to believe the rose colored glasses player only fans here. That’s fine.

    But don’t lie about me.
     
  19. cmoak1982

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    And sorry about the last comment, I changed it. I responded out of anger and I shouldn’t have. You didn’t deserve that
     
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  20. Kemahkeith

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    You are free to criticize anyone on the team that is what fandom is.

    My point was and still is, when one uses their join date on this board as a measure of superiority on anything relating to this team, I get pissssed.
    Loyalty and dedication to this team has no born on date.

    That's all man. I honestly don't care about Any of the other stuff.

    The only comment I will make on Maye is it is he is young in his career and has started spectacularly, but a more difficult schedule next year and coaches learning about him may reflect in his results next year.

    Don't car who anyone thinks is better. CJ is our QB until he is not, and I don't feel it necessary to judge him against others. It does nothing in the end.

    Just seems like a silly argument.
     
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