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Windhorst: Rockets still looking at Giannis

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rvo384, Jun 30, 2025.

  1. the11mingdynasty

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    Make it happen Murley
     
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  2. Landry's Tooth

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    That may be true, but you arent voting on all defense and those that due have him Amen level or higher.

    Not my favorite idea, but it is useful in many ways. Younger than DFS, more durable than Eason. Under control for several years...
     
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    Votes don’t get stops, that stuff is irrelevant. He got votes because of his steals stats. He’s as close to amen on defense as sengun is to jokic on offense.

    Hawks defense is much better with him off the court this season and last season it was identical (technically they were 0.1 pts worse with him on).
     
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    Pretty crazy how Giannis was untouchable a few years ago. If you could predict future, moving him then would have been best. But it's hard to turn away from championship appreciation and appeasement.
     
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    24-year-old Ben Simmons was untouchable.
    29-year-old Ben Simmons is unhirable.

    Shlt happens.
     
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    The Suns were fine but I would not call winning against the Suns a great achievement.

    Winning against Indy is also not that much but Indy was much more of a dark horse, so the danger lurking there.

    Also Denver winning against a Butler led Miami but without a true superstar.

     
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    A superstar bigman at 28 is different than 31. Not to mention they need a overhaul on the roster.
     
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    Well its premature hindsight cuz its only 25% into the season. I doubt Kon retains his average for the whole year.
     
  9. Landry's Tooth

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    Not sure why you think that disproves something.

    Joe Ingles used to have a positive dbpm and he was awful on defense. It was because they always had Gobert out there to cover for him.

    Just saying it's not a perfect stat in isolation.
     
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    If it was this then yeah...
     
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    If he was an elite defender, wouldn’t it be reasonable to expect the hawks defense to be better when he is on the floor and not worse? I’m just talking about the on/off, not any advanced stat.
     
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    I wouldn't just because OKC exists. You have to be smart about when you go all in, and now is not the time. Realistically speaking we would be heavy heavy underdogs against OKC even with Giannis, so what's the point? I also don't think Giannis will be great for much longer, maybe 1-2 seasons. If we hold on to this core (Amen, Sengun, Reed, Jabari, Tari) we're looking at probably a decade of 50 win seasons. At a minimum, there is value in that, that will be fun to watch on its own before we even talk about playoffs/titles. But beyond that, I think you have to just wait out OKC, dynasties don't last forever. I think we'll be well positioned to go all in when the time is right if we just wait. But going all in right now would be committing to going in against one of the greatest teams of all time. I just don't see why you would do that. You don't go all in with a losing hand.
     
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    I think you're missing the point of a redraft. It's an exercise where you intentionally use whatever data you have until that point in time to hypothetically "redraft". It can be done after 20, 50, or 100 games and it focuses on hindsight information.

    It's ok to admit you made a mistake, I do it all the time. I made a mistake using the word premature, I should have said arrogant when referring to you speaking for every NBA GM.

    I'm not really trying to debate you, could have just said from the beginning that you don' think Kon can sustain his averages and left it at that instead of explaining how hindsight works when engaging in an exercise that has a foundation of hindsight.
     

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