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AI ART: Art or Not?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Rocket River, Dec 12, 2022.

  1. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    I mean, I’ve been playing music for 30 years. Made like $84 lifetime off of it because people just about categorically refuse to pay for music.

    Unless you want to sing matchbox 20 3 am and hoodie and the blowfish to a bar of drunks.

    I play for myself and I put some of the stuff I made out there for free and people basically don’t even listen twice even though it’s free.
     
  2. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    I can see that
    Several things are true
    1. Napster got people user to not paying for music
    2. Streaming makes music basically free - esp things like youtube
    3. Just so much of it out there . . . . drowned in a sea of music

    I think this will be with other artforms too
    Mona Lisa maybe a Classic but Mona Lisa with blond hair is specific to whoever prompted it . . and everyone can do it
    blah blah blah until you have thousands if not millions (potentially billions . . i.e. put my face onthe mona lisa) of different versions of it

    Human Creativity is about to be pushed to its limits
    AI might be able to produces every possible variation of every thing before we can

    Rocket River
     
  3. Mango

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    People got used to not paying for Music when in their vehicles even before Napster.

    If a radio station went to commercials when a song ended, just punch a preset on the radio for another station to avoid listening to the commercials.
     
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  4. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    Yeah...except now people pay Spotify or Youtube to not hear/see ads instead of paying an artist for their creation directly. Companies paid radio stations based on the theory that a certain number of people were listening. Artists got their royalties. Now Youtube sets marks based on value, gets paid by advertising and people who don't want ads, and give artists next to nothing. And yeah, there's a wash of people contributing now but they also have to participate in a scheme that's devaluing them because of their *potential* exposure. It's bullshit.

    Like I'm not going to judge anyone too harshly over it, for paying against ads, for paying Spotify instead of musicians, but it's bullshit.

    And then like, oh, AI can create music? Big deal. Make your youtube profile and let it try to generate revenue for you lol... I can actually play and nobody valued it. So why should I care if AI can recreate sounds for a platform that completely devalues it as well?

    To bring it back around to the point of the thread - the problem isn't AI can create music causing a devaluation of musicians. People did that tihs a whiiiiiile ago.
     
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  5. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Agreed. America is a company (er. . Country) of middle men

    Actual consumers rarely pay actual producers
    All the money is in the middle . .. . .

    [​IMG]

    Producers on one end and Consumers on the other
    Alot of the money in the middle

    Rocket River
     
  6. FrontRunner

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    The most downloaded country song in the US right now was made by AI
    Billboard called Breaking Rust a ‘virtual act’

    The Independent
    Carsen Holaday
    Thursday 13 November 2025 10:14 EST



    For the first time ever, a song generated by artificial intelligence has climbed to the top of the charts.

    This week, a country artist named Breaking Rust landed the No. 1 spot on Billboard’s Country Digital Song Sales chart for the second week in a row with the hit single “Walk My Walk.” But it almost immediately became clear that the singer behind the raspy voice and vague lyrics telling haters to “kick rocks” because “I was born this way, been loud too long,” was never born at all.

    With over two million monthly listeners on Spotify, Breaking Rust has eight songs available to stream that are all credited to Aubierre Rivaldo Taylor, a mysterious figure who has shown no real sign that he’s human, the San Francisco Chronicle first reported. Taylor’s only digital footprint is connected to Breaking Rust and another AI music project called Defbeatsai that blasts out vulgar AI-generated songs and videos across social media.

    Continued...
     
  7. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    How much money did it make?
    This is interesting

    Rocket River
     
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  8. FrontRunner

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    I'm guessing a ton.

    I haven't given it much though. (Truthfully it pisses me off on many levels.) But I'm guessing it wouldn't be impossible to cash in, or, if nothing else, have fun and create something you could sort of call your own.
     
  9. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Well I don't know.
    Cause I know you cannot copywrite the music
    so
    They may not be able to monetize it
    Which is what I am curious about

    Rocket River
     
  10. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

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    Have you seen/heard some of the AI stuff where they take lyrics from the modern song and recreate it using a different genre? What do you think of those? For example, here are a few of Kanye's re-created/re-imagined/re-whatever by A.I. :




     
  11. FrontRunner

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    I didn't know you couldn't copyright it. Probably not a big deal though. No one's going to remember it a few months. Although... someday AI will probably produce something great.
     
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    Everyone chasing dollars, gettin rich, building data centers.. what we gonna do when AI runs out of powers?
     
  13. Rocket River

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    I cannot say I'm mad at it

    Rocket River
     
  14. Rocket River

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    It may still be in the courts
    but its a big deal with the Artist Types
    If you use an AI Image you cannot trademark it
    If you use an AI Story you cannot copyright it
    So
    It is finding it's level on what can and cannot be done

    Rocket River
     
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    [​IMG]
     
  16. PhiSlammaJamma

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    The AI stuff is excellent. Like it. The only way to control your content is to control access to it. But even that can only stop the people from mashing it for so long. It’s a new world. And it’s inevitable.
     

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