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Shut it down - shut the government down

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Sep 30, 2025 at 9:06 AM.

  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Fight Facism
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    LOL - they are trying to spread the message of lies on all the websites.......it won't work, like everything it will backfire spectacularly.

    DD
     
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  2. Sajan

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    Quite sad to watch actually.

    To quote "they are not stupid people.." but they seem to be under the grip of this pathological liar. We can only hope they find freedom one day.
     
  3. astros123

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    You had Hunter biden derangement for 4 years even though Hunter never had any role in the government. Its quite funny youre talking about TDS when folks are concerned about the actual president. Obsessing over Hunter biden? No big deal. Obsessing over the president? Trump dederangement

    Right wing boomers are the dumbest individuals out of anyone
     
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  4. hooroo

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    here are some more screenshots:

     
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  5. Amiga

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    How low would you go?

    Five furloughed employees told NBC News they had put up nonpartisan out-of-office messages, only to see they were changed — without their permission — to partisan ones.


    “None of us consented to this. And it’s written in the first person, as if I’m the one conveying this message, and I’m not. I don’t agree with it. I don’t think it’s ethical or legal. I think it violates the Hatch Act,” this person said, referring to the law that limit federal employees’ political activity.

    “I took the statement that they sent us earlier in the week to use. And I pasted it on top of that — basically has a standard out-of-office,” another one of the Education Department employees said. “They went in and manipulated my out-of-office reply. I guess they’re now making us all guilty of violating the Hatch Act.”

    One of the employees said they were not overly worried about getting hit with a Hatch Act violation, saying the department has crossed into a level of partisanship they’d never seen without anyone being held accountable. In this case, the employee was incensed that someone else’s message was connected to their name.

    “Nobody follows the law anymore, so why does it matter? It seems like laws are dotted lines now, not solid lines. It seems there’s no one to hold this administration accountable to laws,” one of the employees said. As far as fearing any repercussions, they said: “Clearly, this wasn’t done by me; it was done while I was in a furlough status. I think I’d be able to argue that point.”
     
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  6. ArtV

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    Chattanooga Times Free Press

    DEMS SHUT DOWN GOVERNMENT OVER COVID SPENDING

    Let’s be clear about what is happening in Washington right now: Democrats just shut down the federal government to force Donald Trump to continue Joe Biden’s COVID-era pandemic spending. Republicans should never agree to make that spending permanent.
    Democrats claim they are trying to preserve Obamacare tax credits. Wrong. They are trying to preserve American Rescue

    Plan tax credits. The subsidies in question were not part of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act; they were passed in President Joe Biden’s disastrous $1.9 trillion COVID spending bill, which unleashed the worst inflation in four decades.

    The American Rescue Plan was a self-inflicted wound on the U.S. economy. Congress passed a $900 billion economic stimulus package a few weeks before Biden took office, on top of the earlier pandemic relief measures Congress had approved. By the time Biden got to the White House, the economy had already turned the corner and was growing at more than 6%.

    But Biden wanted credit for the post-COVID recovery. So, in his first major act as president, he rammed through a massive package of supposedly temporary social spending disguised as pandemic relief, including sending millions of Americans stimulus checks, providing the largest child tax credit payments ever and extending ludicrously generous unemployment supplements.

    The American Rescue Plan also expanded Obamacare subsidies, broadening who qualified for those subsidies by eliminating the income eligibility ceiling that had been set at 400% of the federal poverty level. This made millions more Americans eligible for taxpayer subsidies, including households with six-figure incomes, and provided much larger subsidies to previously eligible households compared with Obamacare rules.

    Not a single Republican voted for Biden’s fiscal monstrosity. Sensible Democrats warned it was an impending disaster. Obama economic adviser Jason Furman said he didn’t know of “any economist that was recommending something [that] size.”

    They were right.

    Biden’s Obamacare expansion, like all his COVID spending, was sold to the American people as a temporary relief measure. The Biden administration said the American Rescue Plan would “build a bridge towards economic recovery.” That is why the COVID-enhanced Obamacare subsidies were set to expire on Jan. 1, 2023. Then, Democrats extended the expiration date to Jan. 1, 2026, as part of Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act.

    Remember, both of these bills were passed with Democratic votes alone, which means Democrats are responsible for setting the deadline for these COVID subsidies to expire. Now they are demanding that Republicans do what Democrats failed to when they had unified control of government and make Biden’s COVID health care subsidies permanent. And they have taken the federal government hostage in an attempt to force Republicans to do so.

    Trump has said that if Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer ends the shutdown, he is willing to negotiate to reduce health care costs. There might be other ways to make health care more affordable, but extending these Biden-era pandemic subsidies should be off the table. Why would Republicans even consider extending this inflationinducing vestige of Biden’s economic legacy?

    Instead of negotiating, Trump should make clear that Democrats are not fighting to preserve Obamacare; they are fighting to preserve Bidenomics. And that is precisely what the American people elected him to reverse.
     
  7. Andre0087

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    That article is a load of bullshit...
     
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  8. glynch

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    Agreed !! The line needs to be held somewhere and we can't wait till Trump has the US military practicing counter insurgency tactics on Americans in citizens in cities which did not vote for him.

    I like also your previous idea of no subsidies for the remaining little conservative farmers, who have unwarranted political power in their often small states with 20-75 times more Senate and hence Supreme Court power than the rest of us.

    I am not sure that the Medicare/Medicaid and Obama care cuts for millions is the hill to die on, but.... Medicaid cuts disproportionally hurt the little MAGA disproportionately they are more likely to be among the majority of Americans with a 6th grade reading ability. You can make the argument to let little MAGA learn by suffering when their healthcare is terminated. However, never underestimate how they can be spun into blaming the undocumented, the trans, non "born again" Christians , the libs etc.
     
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  9. glynch

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    Probably true, but I saw the ultimate mild mannered centrist Hakeem Jeffires trying unconvincingly to act upset over the shutdown. Of course with much of his district being in the Mamdani part of NYC and talk of a possible primary against him he now has a personal motivation..
     
  10. Xerobull

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    Oh noes a biased rag in a dying industry in a third rate small city in a red state is publishing propaganda!
     
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    that is the Marc Thiessen column that appeared in the Washington Post a couple of days ago:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/10/01/democrats-government-shutdown-fight-trump/
     
  12. El_Conquistador

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    Exactly. These ACA enhanced subsidies were always meant to be temporary. Since we are years removed from COVID emergency status, there's no good reason to extend these. It's consistent with how they were put in... unless the Democrats were being dishonest (again) and intended for them to be permanent in the first place.

    End these temporary subsidies as they were intended -- don't budge.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    There are videos of Trump’s giving advice about a previous potential shutdown going viral amid the current crisis.

    “They don’t have the right leader”, he said in 2011 when Barack Obama was in the Oval office. “The United States’ President has to get this done." "it isn’t the Democrats or the Republicans that should shoulder the blame, but the U.S. president."


    Two years later, in the middle of the 2013 budget standoff, the reality‑TV host, as he then was, was back on screen, offering the same take: “Problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top. The president’s the leader and he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead,” he told Fox News.​
     
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  14. glynch

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    The "Conquistador" still celebrating I guess the slaughter of tens if not hundreds of millions of indigenous people by his chosen heroes. Could give a crap about "poors" or whatever he calls them if they can't afford healthcare. F em. MAGA in action. He might even consider himself a "Christian" lol.
     
  15. Nook

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    Most divisive President ever.

    This guy literally spends all of his time and effort dividing people.

    His entire schtick is chaos.

    Hopefully at some point enough people get sick of the circus.
     
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    Learning to live by handouts from the government dooms families to a future of multi-generational poverty. This is not the society we wish to create. It is the humanitarian move to break this cycle and provide motivation to secure their future on their own.


    GOOD DAY
     
  18. Andre0087

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    Doubtful, some folks voted three times for him. I just can't understand the logic behind it.
     
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    Let the Farmers know this

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