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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

    84.4%
  2. NO

    15.6%
  1. ROCKSS

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    I don't know, if he was hurt wouldn't it be advantageous for the team to mention this to at least explain part of the issue, I think this would be an out as far as excuses go. TBH, between the Astros never telling us anything "honest", and not seeing Joe Mixon for months leads me to believe this "could" be an issue but no one is honest about these types of issues
     
  2. zeeshan2

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  3. thejav

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    Was it a secret he was keeping? So cringe.
     
  4. Qan

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    Did he also go talk to his OC and OL coach? Did they also admit they need to do better and that water is wet?
     
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  5. Hey Now!

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    I know it's a combination of several factors - but specific to personnel, here is what Caserio has done with the offensive line:

    2021
    - did not draft an offensive lineman;
    - signed Justin Britt (2 seasons; 12 starts); Justin McCray (2 seasons; 10 starts)
    - traded 4th round pick for Marcus Cannon (1 season; 4 starts)

    2022
    - drafted Kenyon Green (1.15); Austin Deculus (6.205)
    - signed Cedric Ogbuehi (did not make team); AJ Cann (1 season; 16 starts); resigned Britt

    2023
    - drafted Juice Scruggs (2.62); Jarrett Patterson (6.201)
    - signed George Fant (1 season; 13 starts); Michael Dieter (1 season; 10 starts)
    - traded 4th round pick for Josh Jones (1 season; 3 starts); traded 6th round pick for Shaq Mason (2 seasons; 32 starts)

    2024
    - drafted Blake Fisher (2.59); LaDarius Henderson (7.249)
    - did not sign an offensive lineman;
    - traded 6th round pick for Kendrick Green (2 seasons; 4 starts)

    2025
    - drafted Aireontae Ersery (2.48)
    - signed Cam Robinson, Laken Tomlinson; Jake Andrews;
    - traded 6th round pick for Ed Ingram
    - traded away Laremy Tunsil

    He has invested 11 draft picks in the offensive line (including trades) - but only four of them were what you would consider "premium" picks (top 64). Since drafting Stroud, ostensibly the franchise QB, he has drafted 3 offensive linemen - one in round 7 - and didn't even bother signing a free agent in '24. This past draft - with the OL a glaring weakness - he used 1 pick out of 9 - ONE! - on an offensive lineman. And he has not paid more than $6M/season to a single free agent offensive lineman. None of this accounts for his blatant disregard for the tight end position, which, if anyone who has watched Schultz (continually) or Bryant whiff at opposing defenders knows, is a key area to helping offset offensive line troubles.

    Caserio's approach - scraping the bottom of the bargain bins for has-beens and never-weres - has been, in a word: atrocious. And this isn't exclusive to offensive line acquisition: he has continually favored older, cheaper players, on shorter deals.

    Nick Caserio needs to be fired. He has more than earned it.
     
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  6. Major

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    This is true - but the other way to look at it is that from 2021-2025, they only had 8 premium picks total (due to the Tunsil trade). So they used half of their premium picks on the O-line.

    I'm not defending Caserio - I said he should be fired the day he was hired as he was part of this whole flawed "re-create the Patriots" thing. But between those guys and what they invested to get Tunsil as a long-term solution, it feels like the Texans have spent more draft capital in recent years than most teams on the O-Line. They just really suck at actually picking people or developing them or scheming them. And agree that they are awful at free agency as well.
     
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  7. thejav

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    If the Browns offered Watson and some picks for CJ. Id do that in a heart beat.
     
  8. Fulgore

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    You want a washed qb that makes 50m a year? I know you don’t hate CJ that much
     
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  9. Hey Now!

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    Ehhhhhhh.... They more than replenished the Tunsil picks with the Watson trade... which they promptly used in the Anderson deal, as well as a 2 on Diggs. Note: neither of those guys is an OL. They also dealt out of the first round in '24 and again in '25.

    To me, that's the story... Caserio has been irresponsible with draft picks. Before he started making trades, the Texans had 8 first round picks between '22 & '25; they wound up only making four first round selections:
    2022: 3rd and 13th --> 3rd & 15th
    2023: 2nd, 12th, 33rd --> 2nd & 3rd
    2024: 23rd and 27th --> 0
    2025: 25th --> 0

    So Caserio backed himself - and the franchise - into a corner, and you simply can't miss when you give yourself fewer shots to take.

    Caserio doesn't get credit for Tunsil - he inherited him and Howard, and in five offseasons, he hasn't landed one offensive lineman anywhere near as good as Howard, let alone Tunsil.

    The draft is always is a crapshoot - though his record is bad enough for there to be legitimate questions about his acumen. But to sit out free agency for two seasons in a row... it's indefensible. And this past offseason, in which they used 1 of 9 picks on a linemen and shopped the bargain bin for other linemen......... I mean... it's hard to fathom how he still has a job.
     
  10. thejav

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    in may fantasy scenario I would have the Browns pay for some of that salary. I think both QBs could do better with a change of scenery.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

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    2026: The Fernando Mendoza era in Houston begins
     
  12. tmacfor35

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    Imagine if Kirk didn't drift towards the safety over the top and if Schultz didn't quit on his route as soon as the defender touched him.

    3 TD game easy.

    Narrative would be different.

    Watch the tape for the wackos in here who are saying the QB is the "worst in the league"

    Yall are just saying stuff to say stuff. Too lazy to do more than watch a box score.

    Great route by Schultz here.... What a player.

    I wanted the team to get rid of him last year.

    How can Demeco preach swarm mentality on both sides of the ball and watch tape like this with a straight face. This is soft.

     
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  13. raining threes

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    SMH, Who's fault is that? He had all TC to develop timing with his WR's. Look at how many rookie WR's have made impacts over the last couple of years.
     
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    Ryans is trying to tell y'all something and y'all wont listen.
     
  15. raining threes

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    This is a product of drafting OL for 3 different systems and 3 different OL coaches. It's impossible to be successful drafting with that much turnover.

    Yet Howard/Ingram/Andrews and to a certain extent Ersery have played at an avg to above avg level.
     
  16. Rvo384

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    lol get his ass outta here
     
  17. Two Sandwiches

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    What does that even mean?


    That's super vague to the point of it could mean anything and then she could say I told you so.
     
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  18. percicles

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    That Caserio is on the hot seat for installing his Nepo boy as OC.
     
  19. cmoak1982

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    I agree.
    Also, can we just not have drama at the QB position?! Wtf man
     
  20. thejav

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    He took tylenol for the shoulder issue in the off season. now hes autistic.
     

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