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[The ACTUAL Threat] Trump Says Broadcasters Risk Losing Licenses When Hosts Criticize Him

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Sep 20, 2025 at 10:35 AM.

  1. durvasa

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    @Os Trigonum, your focus remains on the actions taken by ABC and the reasons for those actions. As I’ve said, that is not my focus. The issue I have with Carr’s comments remains regardless of any actions ABC might have taken. His threat, based on political content of views expressed on broadcasted entertainment talk shows, has a chilling effect on speech. That is the overstep.

    You’ve mentioned that his motivation might have been to restore a balance of political viewpoints on shows by broadcasters that have FCC licenses. This seems to be an appeal to the Fairness doctrine, but the FCC repealed this in the late 80s (and courts have upheld this) so I don’t see how that can used as their rationale now.
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    courts have been known to revisit issues . . . and Trump is a grand experimenter when it comes to visiting issues
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    let me just agree with you here about the seriousness of potential and/or future threats coming from Carr; but I will reiterate my belief that his remarks were broad/vague/ambiguous enough that they do not clearly rise to a "DefCon One" level of threat to free speech in this particular instance (i.e., the Kimmel case).
     
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    Crazy Dictator Stuff

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  5. FranchiseBlade

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    I can see why that might seem slightly more favorable to Carr in isolation. But given his victorious claim of just getting started and threats that the FCC would do more of Networks didn't handle it themselves, I believe it would be difficult to rely on that case.
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    I just got done listening to this Eugene Volokh podcast, where all three law profs are in agreement with you that Carr's remarks constituted a genuine threat to ABC/Disney.

    But at roughly the 6:00 mark, Ash Bhagwat describes how it is at least theoretically possible that Nexstar and Sinclair put the pressure on Disney to suspend Kimmel "on their own," that is, independent of the remarks made by Carr implying a threat to affiliates' licenses.

    The whole thing is well worth listening to--it is interesting that at the 30:00 mark where during taping the news broke of Sinclair planning not to air the Kimmel re-boot broadcast tonight, and Bhagwat makes a quick comment that Sinclair's move would seem to support the idea that it was Sinclair/Nexstar pushing the Kimmel suspension rather than Carr and the FCC.

    Anyway. I'm about ready for the whole soap opera to be over. With any luck Kimmel will go gently into the night tonight. :D

    cued this up to 6:05



    one last thought: lots of good stuff here both about Vullo but more importantly about the Murthy decision as comparison cases.
     
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  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    They cannot be liable for firing an employee unless they violated the provisions of his contract (or fired him for some illegal reason, like his race). No matter what Trump said, or the FCC, ABC is allowed to fire Kimmel.
    No, it is in fact very cut and dry. Networks can fire their on air talent. It happens all the time. It happened to Roseanne, it happened to Gina Carano, it can happen to anyone.
    Yes, just like in this case, the government interfering in private businesses is bad. That is a single standard. Get the government out of deciding what viewpoints are acceptable.
     
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    But at least one of those companies mentioned Carr's opinion specifically basing on information from the documents presented in the segment from John Oliver's show.

    Even without that, it seems like a tenuous hook upon which to hang a hat. I also think it is harder to regain a stripped or weakened right.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    This is such a ridiculous whiny argument. Television is a market, these aren't commercials, people watch these shows because they like them. Tour same argument can be made about Fox News and MSNBC.

    Advertisers oat all their bills and then fee to the network is governed by viewers, the market decides what's in television and if people want to watch Kimmel thats the ultimate judge of what he says. They can say what they want and if the market doesn't like it Kimmel will away. It's not a campaign ad it's a sale

    You don't believe in free markets anymore?
     
  10. El_Conquistador

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    Wow catch up please. We are talking about BROADCAST vs CABLE. ABC is not treated the same as MSNBC or FoxNews. My points stand.

    Furthermore, it was ABC that pulled Kimmel... at the request of Sinclair/Nexstar... because Kimmel's rating are low and going lower and he's turned into a very angry man (unfunny).


    GOOD DAY
     
  11. pgabriel

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    Advertisers ultimately pay Kimmel, do you think no conservatives run those companies?
     

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