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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Ottomaton

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    You could use a chatbot instead of MSM to get 10x the information w/out the propaganda.

    But yes, they are very rudimentary UAV's that are subjected to the most basic interference techniques. Its like throwing rocks over a border wall to test security defenses.

    And LOL to the idiots who think Russia is testing to invade Poland. I guess we switched from "Russians are stupid and incapable of taking Ukraine" to now "Russia is this super sophisticated force who is ready to roll over europe".

    You all never make sense when justifying the propaganda served up to you.
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    I could explain in detail why the Shaheeds are the ideal weapon for what they were trying to accomplish, poking Poland to see what shakes out, but it wouldnt penetrate your wall of smuggness.
     
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    YOU are "propaganda."
     
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  6. glynch

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    Deeply felt' but a link?
     
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    Putin at his core is really the world’s biggest troll. You could see it in full force in Alaska with his little smug looks and comments.

    He’s trolling the west. Trying to provoke and manipulate Trump. Obviously this gets the NATO allies worked up and they have to start coordinating efforts to defend, he thinks it will get Trump to force Zelensky to fold.

    I actually think Putin is wrong here though. I think he’s right that Trump is in the tank for Russia and hates NATO but I don’t think Trump is going to have the power or the will to force Ukraine to fold, and I think the power that the big weapons manufacturers have over the GOP will play a bigger part than Putin thinks in keeping Trump aligned with NATO.

    Putin is underestimating how important money is to Trump and Europe having billions of dollars spent and on schedule to spend more on his key donors who run Lockheed, Raytheon, etc. will be what keeps Trump in line here or extending out his position of really doing next to nothing while Europe arms itself to the teeth.

    Only thing Putin is accomplishing here is getting a bunch of prime ministers and presidents in Europe to call the ceo of Lockheed and ask them if they can get those Patriot missiles earlier than expected. I think Europe is getting ready for a fight Russia doesn’t have the ability to fight effectively and will settle for a stalemate and terrorist attacks on Ukraine for the next 5 years.
     
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    Can I assume in your conventional smugness you still expect Ukraine to win?. It was no help or or frankly immoral for the US in its geopolitical gamesmanship aiming to weaken Russia to encourage Ukraine to turn down the initial basically accepted agreement. The agreement was to let Russia have only the Russian speaking Crimea home to a Russian naval base since around 1780. The four oblasts were to have remained in Ukraine with the type of autonomy of groups like the French Speakers in Canada. Ukraine was to agree to remain neutral and not join NATO.
     
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    I would not be surprised if time will show that the Poland drone incident is a false flag of some sort, given that Ukraine and the US are on the verge of defeat. The Ukrainian will turn on their leaders who turned down a much better outcome due to manipulative promises by the US, read NATO.
    The Atlantic is of course a somewhat liberal publication and a flag bearer of the DP wing of the neo-con consensus.
     
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    what is the DP wing of the neo-con consensus?
     
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    Seriously, glynch? You're making yourself look pretty crazy, in my opinion. If Ukraine was on the "verge of defeat," and I don't think they are, if the US had anything to do with it, that would be due to trump withholding the support our country was giving that democracy in an effort to prevent Putin from subjugating it. So are you a trump fan now? Perhaps a Putin fan, as well? Your "logic" escapes me.
     
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    That's glynch-speak for anyone to the right of him
     
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    I wonder if his definition of DP is the same as mine.
     
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    Dunno, we don't kink shame around here though
     
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    glad to hear it.
     
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    How does Russia playing along with Ukraine's false flag add up?
     
  20. glynch

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    There is a bi-partisan consensus to crazily try to remain dominant in the entire world despite 4 % of the population, blow off diplomacy and settle differences by starting wars or provoking them . E.g. not accepting peace after the fall of the Berlin Wall, but wishing to continue treating Gorbachev's Russia as an enemy to grind down leading to Ukraine,. See Iraq, Afghanistan, occupation for 20 years, Libya, Panama, Grenada, probably Venezuela. etc. Check the votes all those Dems like Clinton, Biden, Obama, Harris.
     

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