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HOW to get Yao the damn ball?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by dragon167, Nov 6, 2004.

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  1. jediknight94595

    jediknight94595 Contributing Member

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    Yao doesn't dunk. That would be unkind to the opponent. That is against Yao's culture. :D
     
  2. gotoloveit2

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    You can't have it both way. No one can be that tall and heavy and yet move like a 6' 9". Yao and his team just need to find ways to maximize his strengths and take advantage of his height. If our offense still gonna be mostly inside out, it has to go through Yao more. The only way to play against zone defense is ball movement. Get the ball up quickly and start moving it from side to side, looking for the right moment on the entry pass, or nail that open jumper when available. It is just as tiring for the fronting man to adjust constantly as for Yao to establish positions. And I still think JVG shouldn' have Yao setting all those high screen picks near the 3 point line. Yao is slow, so it's ridiculous to waste all his energy to set up screens for JJ, Mo and alike. How often did you see Shaq do that, and he has better quickness and stamina than Yao. The only exception is with Tmac because he could definitely make a easy pass to Yao on that P'nR.
     
  3. SlizardOO

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    What are you talking about? he had a couple of dunks last night. Anyways, Yao needs to work out his hands It'll help with rebounding.
     
  4. vaioavan63

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    yao aint gonna do **** if the get him the ball anywayas, whats he gonna do throw up a sizzy lil lay up? :rolleyes: mutombo should be the 1 starting not yao
     
  5. gotoloveit2

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    Yao might have a 7'4" wingspan, but his problem is his lack of an upper body bulk and a relatively narrow shoulder. He can't effectively shield off the defender behind him. People here kept complaining about Yao shouldn't bring the ball down, just keep it high, are really missing the point IMHO. All players almost alwalys bring down the ball when going up for a shot. The problem with Yao is he's too slow in doing that. One needs to do it strong and quick, and finish with a bang when you are that close to the basket. Lastly, many of us here kept forgetting that Yao is practically deaf in one ear. I really believe that would partly explain on his slow reactions in certain situations.
     
  6. gotoloveit2

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    I got a feeling that ever since Juugie retired from here, the rest of his or her family have really picked up the slack.
     
  7. jump shooter

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    Agreed DD, I also see when Yao is being fronted off the block he does not make himself big. It looks as if he needs to bend his knees a lot more to take up more space. I saw the Lakers Chris Mihm being fronted against Denver and he ate them alive. Mihm is quicker than Yao but he made himself big on the block with his lower body spacing. Shaquille Oneal does the same thing. Yao just has to get mentally tougher, he is just not comfortable out there. He is thinking instead of just playing. The day he figures out the fronting problem is the day this team becomes a very serious contender.
     
  8. vaioavan63

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    but yao doesnt dunk on anyone! evrytime he dunks its a wide open dunk i wanna see him dunk some someone at least once plzzzzzzzzz yao :(
     
  9. edc

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    (1) JVG is not Rudy.

    (2) JVG is virtually incapable of doing anything other than his system. Adjustments of any sort seem beyond him.
     
  10. KeepKenny

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    Actually, i've seen one lob pass attempt so far this season and it was ironically thrown by Taylor. Yao did not even move towards the ball, and pretended to be held by the defender as the ball sailed out of bounds. The team is horrible at making the lob pass, and Yao is horrible at catching them. It seems like something coaching could improve, but we haven't seen that yet.

    Watching the Spurs offense after our game was like a breath of fresh air after watching our offense. Duncan would just post up on the block, and the spurs would swing it to the corner and easily just dump him the ball. Took 2 seconds to do every time.

    To me it seemed like the Grizz were not fronting Yao as often as many teams have done in the past. Kind of hard to tell since he wasn't on the floor too long. But, we have got to get it to Yao when he is on the block with his man on his back. There were several opportunities to do this last night, but the guards always just took the ball the other way. Yao has shown the ability to score from the block, and he does not need a complex play run for him every time to get him within a foot of the basket.

    Right now, we're not even giving yao a chance from there to see what he can do. I can understand if we give it to him a few times, and then if he misses a few tough shots due to positioning issues, then we can try the plays. But right now, he's not even getting a taste of the ball on the low block. If he ever touches it down there, the Grizz would probably immidiately double, and our offense would look so much better from then on.
     
  11. LegendZ3

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    And JVG don't know how to use high low post, and set screen roll to get Yao the ball.

    I'm really disappointed at JVG, although I agree with his D comes first philosophy, but he have no more offensive knowledge than my high school coach.
     
  12. jopatmc

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    After watching last nights game, I am convinced that the Rox are gonna figure all this stuff out. The biggest problem with Yao is keeping himself out of foul trouble so he can actually play on the offensive end. When Yao figures that out, our offense is just gonna get a whole lot more lethal if JVG continues to let TMac initiate. Yao has to avoid the foul trouble.
     
  13. Stack24

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    He was able to stay out of foul trouble a lot more last year cause he had help from Cato on the weakside to pick up some blocks as well as fouls.

    Right now it's only Yao down there. Until the PF's actually step up on defense and take some of those fouls, yao is going to be hit with fouls left and right.

    We have 2 servicable PF's that give us 12 fouls...they need to come off that weakside and help Yao when he is getting burned by the players. That way Yao doesn't have to try and draw a charge and end up getting a foul.

    If at least one of 2 fouls go to the PF's it will greatly help yao stay on the floor.

    Yao is not fast enough to recover from a fake or a drive by a smaller center so our PF's have to do a better job of rotating and helping him out.
     
  14. dragon167

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    Sorry I cant watch the game. Did Miller front Yao on this game? If he's not, the problem is still there. :confused:
     
  15. mogrod

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    See, this stuff amazes me. "Yao-bashers" keep saying that there should be no more excuses when he is not playing as well, yet they make all the excuses when he has a good game. Ridiculous!
     
  16. m_cable

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    The problem is only there until the team gets some practice time. After watching the previous three games, I've noticed that they weren't running the PF into the high post to give a better angle to deliver it in to Yao. Mo did it one time in the Raptor game, but Howard was noticably late or didn't do it at all.

    The fronting of Yao was a problem last year early in the season until JVG installed the high post feed. Yao got some easy buckets against the Celtics one night and they never went back to fronting. From then on it wasn't nearly as hard to get Yao his touches, and later he went on a three month run of dominating ball, until his stamina petered out towards the end of the season.

    Basically with JVG teaching his defensive scheme first during training camp and the China trip, they probably didn't get that deep into the offensive playbook. You can tell that the offense isn't quite there yet and there isn't any sharpness to the execution of plays.

    So assuming that Yao's stamina really has improved and having two such unselfish superstars in Yao and T-mac, this team will dangerous once everyone gets on the same page.
     

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