That body transformation is more than likely the same development as LeBron. If you know, you know. And “great” guys don’t hold their team hostage every year with idle threats, or seemingly blame teammates for your shortcomings.
Welcome to the reality, 90% of super star players control their team.......of some sorts. You cannot tell me the Bucks do not have an EXIT Plan moving on from Giannis......they would be stupid to not have one. I mean if Giannis picks to be Devin Booker and be content with a Play In or Tanking Spot, you bet more fans would be on his arse. In this business you are getting roasted either way......to not deliver championships and to not be competitive and aggressive enough. You cannot appease fanatics....
Being a “great” person includes certain characteristics. Holding a team and city hostage isn’t one of those
Unless Giannis forces his way to the Rockets the price will be too high. At this point, I am very happy with the makeup of our team and would not trade Sengun and other players plus draft picks for him. He is a great player, but the fit on our team is suspect and the FO would be stupid to push all the chips in for a 2-3 year window, when we have the possibility, if not probability, of competing for championships for the next decade. Giving up Sengun, depth, and draftpicks would be a big gamble, especially with the young juggernaut in OKC.
Tbh I agree with this 100% and I actually think this is the only rational take. The people trying to claim Giannis is overrated or Sengun is better are not being rational, serious people at all. Giannis is absolute top tier of players, but we've got a team built already that he doesn't fit into and either the cost would be too high or we'd have to try and make so many moves to construct a roster than fits around him that we'd be moving backwards not forwards with where the team is now.
In no way do I think Alp is better currently. I do think Giannis is overrated outside of putting up numbers. I wouldn’t trade Alp or Amen for many players. At this point I’m not sure I would trade them at all. I’d rather see where it goes
The price would be high. Probably Sengun plus some sort of combination of Eason or Bari (when available for trade, despite that contract extension and its tricky BYC etc etc). But I'm sure Stone would jump on the chance. He probably wouldn't be able to resist. UNLESS there are major leaps: Giannis, backward; Alperen, forward.
Giannis would have to request a trade. Giannis likely has more than 2-3 years left. On fit, Sengun has the same issues (granted, the Rockets have more time to fix these issues with Sengun). I don't think the Rockets would be all in with a trade for Giannis as I don't think any team is going to offer the Phoenix Suns Durant package (dumb teams pretty much have been separated from their draft picks already). I'd see OKC having a great team as a reason not to do the deal. Rockets would likely need a stretch 5 quickly. Sengun is really good. Reasons why I would want to do the deal. I don't want to waste 4-6 years of Amen's career waiting for 2027 and 2029 draft picks to develop. Whether it is Giannis next offseason, or someone else, I expect the Rockets to try to deal some picks to solidify the team around Amen in the next 2-3 years. I waffle on this issue as I consider the value of Sengun to be really high. If he's in the deal, it is a tough sale. If it waits until next offseason, I think Rockets could put together a competitive, but not slam dunk offer without Sengun for Giannis if he asks out.
Giannis's game is built on freak athleticism. Yes, he's more than an athlete and has other real basketball skills. But without his freak athleticism, he's merely a good big man. At his age there's gonna be a cliff sooner or later, and one significant knee or ankle injury is gonna make it a lot sooner. We will not get any discounts if we go after Giannis. We're not the Lakers, and the league office isn't going to conspire to help Houston acquire a top 5 player for cheap. Milwaukee is looking for enough assets to kickstart a rebuild if they have to trade Giannis. How come the Bucks haven't made any noise since 2021 in a weak eastern conference? Giannis has been in his prime the last four years and the Bucks have repeatedly made moves to build the best team around him that they could, and yet the Bucks have won 4 playoff games in the past three years. The inexperienced Rockets first playoff appearance since 2020 resulted in three wins against a tough GSW crew with their referee pals. Damian Lillard was injured this year, but that just adds extra evidence that having Giannis and no depth is a really bad combo. And if we trade for Giannis, we'll have him and KD and no depth. Hard pass. Giannis is absolutely an amazing player, but Mercedes G-Wagons are pretty awesome and I can't afford one of those either.
Not true. The Rockets would also have Giannis, KD, Amen, Tari, DFS, JSJ, Adams, Reed, Capela, Okogie if it happened in season. Heck, Holiday and Tate are probably better than Milwaukie's bench rotation players. Probably needs a trade or two to balance the roster (too many PFs, not enough PGs/shooting).
Putting up numbers is literally the only point of basketball, you realise that right? He's genuinely not overrated, look at it objectively these are his league ranks for last season taken from NBA.com: Pts - 2nd EFF - 2nd BLK - 19th AST - 13th (he's a power forward who's not even known as a playmaker either) REB - 6th (4th DREB, 27th OREB) Lets look at his "advanced" stats because this is a Rockets board and we've got to cater to the Morey kids too DRB% 6th TRB% 10th AST% 10th BLK% 21st OWS - 4th DWS - 17th WS - 5th WS/48 4th (bear in mind with all these too that his team isn't winning) OBPM - 3rd DBPM - 10th BPM - 3rd VORP - 3rd TS% - 26th (and he's supposed to be a garbage shooter fyi) If you're doing that and your team isn't winning, that's not on you. Like I say, you're underrating him heavily tbh.
Not according to all the evidence, he's one of the absolute best defenders in the league. The numbers, metrics and eye test support it. You probably need to just admit this is a bias not rooted in any demonstrable reality haha.
His defensive numbers have been decreasing. Even the numbers show he’s not a top 5 defender in the league. Like he’s portrayed to be
Giannis is a superstar, no mistake there. But I wouldn't trade neither Sengun nor Amen for him. Giannis already missed game against Bosnia, reports suggest he felt a tightness before match. He played against Spain but everytime he came to bench Greek staff rushed with ice pads. Big man relies highly on his athleticism with knee issues sounds a bit scary to me. Sengun is 23, already an all star, growing at a super pace and showing superstar glimpses (see the EuroBasket threat for details). Also has one of the best contracts in the NBA. Amen is another cast potential just scratching its surface. I just don't see how things would work if this trade happens. As a result if we trade him we gain a slight upgrade for now but we throw away the future and break the core. I don't think it's worth it.
Absolutely not. I didn’t watch all that losing. Make a homemade shrine to the lottery ball gods. To trade away Jalen Green, Sengun, picks and some combos of Eason Jabari Reed etc to watch Durant and Giannas for a few years than have nothing left. If it didn’t work out you would be set back a decade or more. F that.
Giannis reminds me of Westbrook, he is going to drop off soon. Currently still a superstar but I believe his drop will be sudden, fast, and steep.
He's at absolute worst a top 30 defender. That means he's in the elite of the elite. Seriously, you just don't like the guy, it's not a problem haha.
Top 30 is way different than a top defender in the league though. Giannis is a top talent, just gets too much love for what he actually does
