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  1. rimrocker

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    I expected nothing more.
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    That's a horrible haiku, even by your standards
     
  3. basso

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    better?

    Ain't reading all that.
    I'm happy for you tho, or
    sorry that happened.
     
  4. deb4rockets

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    President Donald Trump on Wednesday said his administration will not approve solar or wind power projects, even as electricity demand is outpacing the supply in some parts of the U.S.

    "We will not approve wind or farmer destroying Solar," Trump, who has complained in the past that solar takes up too much land, posted on Truth Social. "The days of stupidity are over in the USA!!!"

    That last sentence is pretty funny considering how stupid that fool is for refusing to approve solar or wind power in our country. What a complete and utter moron.
     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    Nuclear is the answer
     
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    The increase in cancer is MAGAs plan to deal with the social security deficit
     
  7. basso

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    this is the way.
     
  8. deb4rockets

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    Any State that has built and relied on WINDMILLS and SOLAR for power are seeing RECORD BREAKING INCREASES IN ELECTRICITY AND ENERGY COSTS. THE SCAM OF THE CENTURY! We will not approve wind or farmer destroying Solar. The days of stupidity are over in the USA!!! MAGA

    Responses to the Orange liar's rant....

    Trump Spreads Desperate Lies to Deflect Blame for High Energy Prices

    Renewable Energy is Not Causing Energy Cost Spikes, Coal is

    This week, Department of Energy Secretary Chris Wright similarly tried to shift blame for rising energy prices on renewable energy and away from his own department’s policies that bolster costly and deadly fossil fuels.

    In response, Sierra Club Chief Program Officer Holly Bender issued the following statement:

    “Energy prices are going up because of this administration’s pro-fossil fuel policies and Donald Trump doesn’t want to take accountability. This statement is completely, patently false and extremely easy to disprove. Despite all the wrenches his administration has thrown to slow the renewable energy boom, renewable energy remains the cheapest form of energy.

    “Instead of investing in clean energy and lowering monthly costs for families, Donald Trump is bolstering costly and deadly coal plants. Donald Trump can deflect all he wants, but when Americans see higher energy bills while fossil fuel companies rake in more profits, the truth will be clear.”

    Last week, a report by Grid Strategies on behalf of the Sierra Club shows that the Trump administration’s decision to issue emergency orders to extend the life of aging coal plants—combined with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission’s ruling that costs incurred from these extensions can be passed onto consumers—will place a financial burden on Americans. The report shows that if the administration continues to force coal plants to operate past their planned retirements, it could cost Americans up to $6 billion per year.

    This week, Department of Energy Secretary Chris Wright similarly tried to shift blame for rising energy prices on renewable energy and away from his own department’s policies that bolster costly and deadly fossil fuels.

    https://www.sierraclub.org/press-re...sperate-lies-deflect-blame-high-energy-prices

    John Quigley, senior fellow at the Kleinman Center for Energy Policy at the University of Pennsylvania, said the Republican tax law will increase U.S. power bills by slowing construction of solar, wind, and battery projects and could eliminate as many as 45,000 jobs by 2030.

    Trump administration polices that emphasize fossil fuels are “an extremely backward force in this conversation,” Quigley said. “Besides ceding the clean energy future to other nations, we are paying for fossil foolishness with more than money — with our health and with our safety. And our children will pay an even higher price.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wir...y-rising-electricity-prices-experts-124860028

    Continued......Report below
     
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    The Cost of Federal Mandates to Retain
    Fossil-Burning Power Plants


    The analysis allocated the cost to each state on a load ratio share basis across the Balancing Authority in which the retiring plant is located, reflecting that the supply of that plant is pooled
    with other sources of supply to serve demand across that footprint. This is analogous to proposed allocations for the cost of DOE’s two recent 202(c) orders for plants in RTOs. Utilities
    outside of regional transmission organizations are likely to similarly recover the cost of keeping plants open under DOE mandates from ratepayers across their service territories. As a result, we allocated the cost of retaining each plant based on the MWh of demand served in each state by the RTO or utility in whose footprint it is located.

    Screenshot_20250822-062809.png

    High estimate

    For the high estimate, total costs are expected to exceed $5.9 billion annually by the end of 2028, as shown in Table 1 above. Costs for the high estimate case are not allocated geographically or plotted by retirement date because this is more of a statistical, albeit conservative, estimate based on the typical retirement age for power plants. Unlike scheduled retirement dates, plant age does not determine that a specific unit will retire and be subject to a DOE mandate. However, the 60-year age screen should provide a conservative estimate of the total fossil capacity that is likely to retire, even if there is not certainty that a specific plant will retire. The exact retirement dates for these age-based retirements are also not known, so we have not plotted the trend of cost over time for the high estimate.

    The location of plants that are likely to retire based on age is highly consistent with that of plants with scheduled retirement dates, so the geographic distribution of costs in the high estimate case is likely very similar to that indicated in the map in Figure 4 above. As a result, roughly doubling the low estimate state cost figures provided in the map above should approximate the costs ratepayers in each state are likely to incur under the high estimate in
    which plants announce plans to retire or move up their retirement date to receive a ratepayer subsidy.

    https://www.sierraclub.org/sites/default/files/2025-08/grid-stra8tegies-report.pdf
     
  10. basso

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    hilarious.
     
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    What's hilarious about it? Surely you don't believe fossil fuels will save us money. Not only that, it's absolutely ridiculous hearing that idiot Trump say he's going to give us clean air and water as he promotes polluting machines. Even funnier is him calling coal clean. I mean, that's just plain flat out lying.

    You can find plenty of articles yourself if you aren't too lazy to research facts. That was just one of many. I won't do the research for you simply because you choose to believe the Liar in Chief.

    The plain simple truth is It's backwards thinking in a world that is going to always be a step ahead of us simply because Trump is bought off and paid for by the fossil fuel billionaires.
     
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    Louisiana just approved three AI data centers. When operational, every day they will each use more electricity than the entire city of New Orleans.

    Renewables are the only way to scale up for the AI demands--and the increasing A/C demands. You guys can scream NUCLEAR! all you want, but it's not happening. It's too complex and cannot scale at the price and rapidity solar and wind can. Not to mention, you will not find one community in all of these United States that would not fight a nuke plant tooth and nail, especially under this regime--a lot of folks remember Three Mile Island or saw Chernobyl on HBO.

    As demand increases, energy prices will go up. And up. Yet our government is intentionally destroying the one avenue we have for meeting demand and keeping prices somewhat manageable. Caveat: If we keep using AI crap, it will cook us regardless. By 2030, MIT estimates that AI power needs will account for over 20% of our energy use and that number will rise considerably throughout the 2030s. It's not sustainable.

    https://apnews.com/article/electric...intelligence-fbf213a915fb574a4f3e5baaa7041c3a
     
  14. Amiga

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    What happened to "Made in America"? What happened to building America's energy independence?

    Canceling a project that is already 80% complete, built with American labor, and set to generate over 700 megawatts of power, enough to power hundreds of thousands of homes, is the clearest sign yet of abandoning U.S. manufacturing and ceding ground to China.

    This isn’t about serving taxpayers or strengthening America’s future. It’s about using government as a tool to push ideology, even if it wastes billions, kills jobs, and weakens our competitiveness.

    https://ctmirror.org/2025/08/23/revolution-wind-trump-administration-ct-offshore-wind/
     
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    This!
     
  16. basso

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    false.
     
  17. basso

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    excellent.

     
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    Scientists could soon lose a key tool for studying Antarctica's melting ice sheets as climate risks grow
    Scientists say the planned decommissioning of a valuable research vessel is part of a series of actions by the Trump administration that take aim at climate science.
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    Sept. 1, 2025, 4:00 AM CDT
    By Evan Bush
    This summer, the U.S. and much of the world have been pummeled by floods, fires and heat waves. Knowing what climate risks come next depends, to a large extent, on what happens in the most desolate place on Earth: Antarctica.

    But there’s a new obstacle to understanding the changing continent and how it’s affecting weather patterns throughout the world. The National Science Foundation plans to decommission its only research icebreaker, the RVIB Nathaniel B. Palmer, while also stalling on plans to build a replacement.

    These actions come as the Trump administration continues to take aim at climate science by slashing science jobs, cutting grants and halting climate reports. And scientists say the moves further threaten to erode the country’s research dominance, this time in the Antarctic, one of the most critical regions for studying rapid change and climate risks, like sea-level rise.


    Meanwhile, other countries including China and Russia are ramping up polar science and exploration, and scientists say they’re concerned the U.S. is weakening its presence in a region where military might is disallowed by treaty and scientific collaboration is the means of diplomacy.

    “This is an abandonment of science and education, but it’s also an abandonment of our place on the world stage and a retreat from leadership,” said Julia Wellner, a professor of marine geology at the University of Houston, who visited the ship during an Antarctic science conference in Chile earlier this month.

    The White House referred NBC News to the Office of Management and Budget for questions about the polar icebreaker decision. The agency did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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    The Chilean icebreaker RVIB Almirante Oscar Viel, white and red at left, and the RVIB Nathaniel B. Palmer, right, in Punta Arenas, Chile.
    Courtesy Julia S. Wellner

    The Palmer’s decommissioning would leave U.S. researchers without reliable marine access to parts of Antarctica already contributing significantly to sea-level rise and where scientists are concerned about ice sheet collapse.

    (more at the link below)
    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/sci...ing-antarcticas-melting-ice-sheets-rcna227312
     
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    Dramatic slowdown in melting of Arctic sea ice surprises scientists

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...elting-of-arctic-sea-ice-surprises-scientists
     

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