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[NYT] Despite Trump’s Tough Talk, Flag Burning Is Protected Speech

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Aug 26, 2025 at 7:40 AM.

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  1. durvasa

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    Do you see this as evidence that he was a better President than he was given credit for, or is it a result of mythologizing by conservative think tanks and commentators and selective memories?
     
    #41 durvasa, Aug 27, 2025 at 12:38 PM
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    @Os Trigonum

    Os's article talks about Reagan"s popularity because of his charm so I don't understand why it would argue he is judged more favorably after leaving

    Reagan did become the Republican standard so I understand the sentiment. I remember Reagan being credited with the fall of the Soviet Union when it happened and yes out spending the USSR into submission is certainly how conservatives view his economic policies now.

    That being said the eighties ended in a bad recession and I think neutral observers blame that on Reagan and his responses to issues like AIDS are viewed negatively
     
    #42 pgabriel, Aug 27, 2025 at 1:25 PM
  3. Os Trigonum

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    I made a factual claim:

    "During the Reagan years folks were convinced Reagan was the worst president ever. History has been much kinder to Reagan."

    The article abstract from Springer clearly supports the assessment that in the period during and just following his second term, many people considered Reagan to have been a failure as president:

    "For many years academic historians, many of them liberal Democrats, gave Ronald Reagan a bad press. In a survey of historians taken between 1988 and 1990 some 62 percent rated him as either below average as a president or even a failure."

    That assessment stands in direct contrast to how historians view Reagan today--hence the CSPAN rankings (there are obviously other ranking systems out there):

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    #43 Os Trigonum, Aug 27, 2025 at 1:34 PM
  4. pgabriel

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    To be fair the eighties didn't end in a recession but I think economists blame the early nineties recession on Reagan.

    It surprises me that Reagan is viewed so favorably now by historians but the fall of the USSR definitely carries a lot of weight and he is given a lot of credit for it
     
    #44 pgabriel, Aug 27, 2025 at 1:49 PM
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    as he should.

    i say this as someone who never voted for Reagan
     
    #45 basso, Aug 27, 2025 at 2:02 PM
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    The fall of the Soviet Union was inevitable. Communism is still proving itself as a fatally flawed system
     
    #46 pgabriel, Aug 27, 2025 at 2:09 PM
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    Does it? I’d have to look at the methodology of CSPAN rankings. From what I can gather, presidents were rated 1-10 across different categories. Reagan has generally received high marks as a communicator and on foreign policy. Low marks in other categories.
     
    #47 durvasa, Aug 27, 2025 at 3:04 PM
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    Where the hell is Trump? What kind of rigged polling is this if it doesn't include him? Unfair, very unfair and biased...
     
    #48 Andre0087, Aug 27, 2025 at 3:15 PM
  9. pgabriel

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    I personally think GHB is the most underrated president. He sacrificed his presidency when he raised taxes and that greatly attributed to Clinton's economy and he handled Iraq perfectly by not chasing Saddam into Iraq

    When talking about decisions being judged with historical perspective he will never great credit for raising taxes which is a shame because that and Ross Perot cost him a second term
     
    #49 pgabriel, Aug 27, 2025 at 3:23 PM
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