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The state of the democratic party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. tinman

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    Everything you Dems touched had always turned into shiit.
     
  3. lionaire

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    Man oh man, this party is doomed unless it purges itself of the establishment centrist dems. Bernie's drawing huge crowds on his Fight the Oligarchy tours but its meaningless if the progressives continue trying to operate within the confines of the DNC. The time is ripe for a new party.

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  4. Os Trigonum

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    and so where do centrist Dems go? to the Republican Party?
     
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    Yeah sure why not? They already put more energy into stopping progressives than they do their actual opposition.
     
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    That's really the natural progression as adults mature and gain additional responsibilities in life... they see that conservative policies are what's best for society and switch to being Republicans. Most Democrats are groups that lack life experience, whether it's parenting, home ownership, or leadership positions professionally... and as such, they don't fully grasp the cause and effect of policies. With time, they learn more, and make the switch to being Republicans. As an example, unmarried women without kids lean heavily towards being Democrats. They simply lack life experience (unlikely to own a home, no kids, unlikely to be high-responsibility people at work, they don't pay much in taxes yet).


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  7. Os Trigonum

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    educational post
     
  8. HP3

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    This is a crock of ****.

    Just uneducated nonsense.
     
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    This is a long standing commonly believed fallacy but there's little to back this up. Most evidence suggests that political ideas and values remain the same for the duration of peoples lives.
     
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    It's statistically supported by polling and data. As an example, according to a Pew Research poll, 64% of renters vote Democrat. Adults with children favor Republicans. And if ONLY income tax payers voted, we'd see a red wave across the country.

    I personally believe that you should get a single vote for each dollar that you pay in taxes. That would align incentives and allow the most responsible people to vote while sidelining the takers and those who cannot provide for themselves without gov't assistance.


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  11. Jugdish

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    This would never happen, as the ultrawealthy would lose power.
     
  12. Os Trigonum

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    lol. that would certainly motivate the rich to pay more taxes
     
  13. El_Conquistador

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    It's how the corporate world is governed all over the world. Shareholders vote their shares. Seems to be working quite well.


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  14. Os Trigonum

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    gift link will work for everyone

    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-rea...8?st=XvcUJe&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    The Real House Democratic Nightmare
    Democrats could lose 10 seats in 2030 as voters flee blue states.
    By The Editorial Board
    Aug. 15, 2025 5:41 pm ET

    California Gov. Gavin Newsom is promising a referendum in November to gerrymander five more Democratic House seats on top of the 43 of 52 they already have in the state. Even if it works, his victory may be short-lived. The real problem for Democrats is that progressive policies are driving population flight, which on current trend could cost their states 10 House seats after 2030.

    Migration from blue to red states is one of the great stories of the age. It accelerated during the Covid lockdowns as Americans fled states with high taxes and living costs—and disorderly streets and lousy schools. Sayonara, San Francisco. Hello, Salt Lake City.

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    Start with the raw numbers. Between 2020 and 2024, California (-1,465,116), New York (-966,209) and Illinois (-418,056) lost the population equivalent of Kansas to other states. Texas (747,730) and Florida (872,722) gained the equivalent of West Virginia. Utah, Idaho, Arizona and North Carolina also experienced a rush of newcomers.

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    Births and foreign migration have somewhat lessened the population losses in Democratic-run states. But their populations are nonetheless aging as young people and families leave. Between 2020 and 2024, California’s population under the age of 18 shrank by 523,000, while New York’s fell by 250,000 and Illinois’s by 186,000.

    School closures during the pandemic no doubt contributed to their loss of children, but maybe parents also don’t want their children learning about the varieties of sexual experience in third-grade or being taught that America was founded to preserve slavery. Just a thought. Texas gained 199,000 children and Florida 219,000 in the same period.

    While slowing immigration under President Trump will dampen population growth in some Republican-led states like Texas and Florida, it will steepen losses in many Democratic states. Notable, though, is that many immigrants who initially come to New York, California and Illinois later leave for other states—for the same reasons native citizens do.


    Only about one-third of immigrants who came to California between 2010 and 2023 on net stayed in the state. Immigrants who arrive in Florida and Texas are more likely to settle there. California’s foreign-born population increased by about 600,000 between 2010 and 2023, versus roughly 1.5 million for both Florida and Texas.

    What do you know? Immigrants want good schools, affordable housing, safe neighborhoods and cheap energy too. It’s tough for day laborers to make a decent living in Brentwood when they’re paying $5 a gallon to fill up a truck and $2,500 a month for a one-bedroom apartment to house a family of four.

    Oh, and good luck trying to start a taqueria or McDonald’s franchise in California or New York with their regulations, taxes, minimum-wage mandates and laws aiding plaintiff attorneys. Democratic Governors may hold their states out as “sanctuaries,” but their policies burden immigrants who come to America in search for opportunity.

    Despite their policy failures, Democrats have used gerrymanders to entrench their power in statehouses in California, New York, Illinois, Maryland and elsewhere. Population flight cost Democratic states several House seats during the last Congressional reapportionment following the 2020 Census, but they lost fewer seats than expected.

    That’s partly because Covid lockdowns increased the risk of miscounting college students and people with second homes. Perhaps Floridians with pied-à-terres in Manhattan were counted as New Yorkers. The Census Bureau in 2022 reported that New York’s population was over-counted by 3.4% while there were under-counts in Florida (3.5%) and Texas (1.9%).

    Such inaccuracies may have cost Florida and Texas an additional House seat and given Rhode Island, New York and Minnesota one each they shouldn’t have received. Tough for GOP Speaker Mike Johnson. But if population trends continue, Republican states stand to gain at least 10 House seats in the 2030 reapportionment.

    The left-leaning Brennan Center estimated in December that Texas and Florida would each gain four House seats while Utah, Idaho, North Carolina and Arizona would each add one. California would lose four, New York two, and Oregon, Minnesota, Illinois, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island one each.

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    GOP legislatures will draw favorable maps to give their new seats to Republicans, as they did in the last redistricting cycle. And if partisan trends hold, Republican-leaning states will gain 10 electoral votes in the 2032 presidential election, about as many as Arizona currently has. Republicans can thank Mr. Newsom and Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker.

    Maybe if Democrats didn’t so heavily gerrymander their statehouse districts to prevent political competition, they might not be at risk of losing representation in Washington.

    Appeared in the August 16, 2025, print edition as 'The Real House Democratic Nightmare'.

    more at the link, including graphs
     
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    You really are a disgusting piece of ****.

    Political science doesn’t back your claim that people “mature” into Republicans. Generational studies show plenty of people get more liberal with age, and others never change their political alignment at all. It’s influenced by education, income, race, location, major historical events and not just whether someone has kids or a mortgage.

    You’ve managed to take three cherry-picked statistics from Pew and inflate them into a full-blown political fairy tale about “maturity” that only exists in your own head. Yes, renters lean Democrat. Yes, homeowners and parents lean A LITTLE Republican(not a lot). That’s where the truth ends and your self-congratulatory fiction begins.

    You are rotten to the core, vile, rotten scum who sits there and lies. Or pretends to be smart, you dont know the first thing about data or research.
     
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    They really should stop eating paint chips. It's rotting what's left of their addled brain.
     
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    In terms of advice I could offer to you, one does not sound smart when they react with vulgarity. Do you feel threatened in some way? Intellectually intimidated? If so, that was not my intent. Often times, when people's world view is challenged, and then they stare down the barrel of facts (like here), the reaction is anger and shock. They are embarrassed, they are frustrated that they didn't spot something as soon as I did. The good news is that the Republican party welcomes all who continue to learn and evolve, and mature their way into being more conservative as they climb the economic and responsibility ladder.


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    Statistics also show that college educated voters — you know, the smart ones - are more likely to vote Democrat because they are literate, believe in facts and science, their knuckles do not drag on the concrete, and they don’t diddle kids or their relatives.

    See, this is so easy even I can do it.
     
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    Don’t waste your electrons getting upset by @El_Conquistador ’s posts. That’s what gets him off.

    Be like me. Meet him with ridicule and superior information. He always ends up running away when I post at him. Always.
     
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    That probably explains what happened with your wife

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