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Trump cancels the National Institute for Health

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  1. SamFisher

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    I got one thing to say, **** these evil mother****ers and anybody whoever voted, posted or whatever in their favor. **** you all.


    Lyft driver picked me up from UNC, turned out he was a medicinal chemistry post-doc in a building near mine, until his grant got cut last month. Worked on novel antivirals.


    @Os Trigonum
     
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    One of worst thing this administration is doing to this country is cutting scientific research and pushing away foreign students.

    For decades, the US has enjoyed getting the best and the brightest to come here for their PhD and post docs. Very often the best of them would stay, creating scientific breakthroughs, jobs, and prosperity. Other countries would spend 2 decades cultivating their best young minds to just lose them to the US. There is a worldwide brain drain INTO the US. Even those who didn't stay would go back to their home country, bringing American ideals and positive sentiment towards the US. This administration is doing their best to undo that.

    Cutting funding to scientific research and fomenting anti immigrant sentiment will cause untold long lasting damage.
     
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    you never know who's in the front seat: my uber driver gave Harrison Ford the idea for the last Raider's movie.
     
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    I agree and this will have long lasting consequences, we should be recruiting the best and the brightest and welcoming these kids. The cutting of scientific research just makes ZERO sense, we dont want to find a cure for cancer?? WTF
     
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  5. SamFisher

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    Makes us poorer in the short term [x]
    Makes us weaker in the long term [x]
    Means that more people will die [x]
    Owns the smarties who are probably libs [x]

    These are features not bugs - hat is what the Trump-Musk GOP-tech-crypto consensus deems to be in alignment with all their policy goals,

    to reign over a hellscape absolutely rather than be subject to democratic accountability in heaven.
     
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  6. SamFisher

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    And again

    Trump illegaly cancels all NIH grants

    @Os Trigonum you fancy yourself an expert - what is the point of this?

    Nobody voted to end all medical research. Nobody campaigned on it.

    It serves no purpose other than kill and maim

    **** anybody who voted for this or participates in this terrorist attack on the US
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Can someone explain to me why the government should be doing/funding this research and not the private sector... which is better at pretty much everything?


    GOOD DAY
     
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    Do your research. The reasons are far too many to list. I'd put government support in healthcare research above giving billions to Musk to watch him blow up rockets in Texas, or to spend billions more on Mars and space missions, although I approve government support in space research too.

    Meanwhile, back on earth in a country run by an old orange grifting geezer with a tie hanging to his crotch, healthcare, medical research, pollution, global warming, and environmental toxins just aren't worth worrying about, even if it costs the government more money in the long run.

    We need to do stuff Trump can boast about like he does his properties and golf courses and himself all the time. He has no qualms spending a trillion on a gold dome, billions and billions on ICE enforcers and more detention centers with cages for those animals. That stuff and big beautiful military parades worthy of a Dictator are so much cooler to brag about for a man who doesn't care about anyone but himself, his empire, and making himself out as the greatest man to ever walk the earth.
     
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  9. SamFisher

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    Sure, I can explain this, not becuase of a trash replybot named after the rotting corpse of a long-dead, divorced poster, but because I like pedantically explaining it and the sound of my own voice. Not some LLM generated bullshit.

    Basic science research and medical research has more or less always been publicly funded for all of written human history since the birth of the modern era . Every great scientist who made breakthrough discoveries has more or less been, at some point, a public employee via a university system that is publiclly run (Issac Newton all the way on up) or at a minimum, a product of that system.

    That is becaues science is a public good - the fruits of which have been to the benefit of humanity and which has enabled all of modern commerce and industry. 100% of it. Every single dollar of GDP and shareholder value or whatever measure you want to choose is literallly not possible without public investment in science.

    The private sector does not do basic science research because it is not good at it. Companies have sharehodlers and quarterly numbers to reach. Even monopolistic companies with obscene market power and huge piles of cash like Facebook or Google have these problems. They fund some basic research with pitiable sums compared to the amounts they throw away on LOL bullshit like the Metaverse. But in the end these contributions are absolutely dwarfed by public investment in the sciences.

    Basic science is about exploration and things that don't make money. Things like LIGO and LHC are not meant to be make shares pop. They are meant to discover things about the universe (from which we eventually make commercial applications, but IMO these things are worth it for their own sake)

    Name for me the CEO who funds a study of Gila Monster venom for the sake of it? Or who collects Gila Monster DNA and stores it in a museum freezer just in case? They didn't that was publicly funded work, but that was how GLP-1 drugs were eventually discovered.

    That's just one prescient example, anyway, funding basic science and medical research is not only good, it is our birthright as Americans to live in a country that prioritizes and why there's even a notional thing like "American Greatness" that all the red hat shitbirds whine about. Having the greatest science & medical research base the world has ever known has been the key driver to all of America's wealth & prosperity for 100 years or more

    Destroy it at your peril, and ours.
     
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  10. El_Conquistador

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    Do you know what would happen if you came into my office and told me that the company is doing something a certain way because "that's the way we've always done it"? I'd have to choose between firing you on the spot, telling you to get your bucket and go home immediately, and giving you an unpaid suspension.

    Innovation does not happen by doing the same thing "the way it's always been done". Mail delivery and space exploration were "always done by the government", until superior private sector options came along. So right there that invalidates your logic. There is no greater incentive than the profit incentive, and I strongly disagree that public companies only pursue short term goals. Our financial markets advanced beyond that decades ago and have funded what are now the largest companies on earth at a time when they were years away from profitability. So your logic quickly fails there again. Government does not reward innovation nor does it penalize inefficiency. The private sector does both, generously and rapidly. The private sector is the best place to innovate and has the smartest people. There is no greater aid to the public good than the profit incentive. Removing the profit incentive stunts growth and then you have to wait decades to come up with a single supporting point like your Gila monster venom. Not enough and too slow.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    link will work for everyone

    Trump administration halts, then releases, NIH research funding
    NIH officials said they were pausing the funds in response to a note from the White House budget office.

    https://wapo.st/4feKKuu
     
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