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The state of the democratic party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    Who you talkin' about Willis?
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    Not that John Cornyn is a great guy, but Paxton as a US Senator is horrifying.

    Now there's this:

    https://archive.ph/IIiU8

    (for the record, she's also a complete POS)
     
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    This is what the democrats voted for

     
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    Imagine claiming kamala is a w**** at the same time Trump is covering for pedophiles and releasing edited footage that hes playing off as real lol

    You're again nothing more than a low iq brainwashed clown
     
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  8. ThatBoyNick

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    I’d vote for some black milf vagine over 80 year old dick n balls every day son.

    Some of y’all are just telling on yourselves…
     
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  9. Os Trigonum

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    he's not wrong

    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/can-any...e?st=2q8fpb&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    Can Anything Save the Democrats?
    As 2026 approaches, they’re disliked, divided and devoid of effective leaders.
    By Karl Rove
    July 16, 2025 4:41 pm ET

    It’s hard enough being the party out of power in normal times. It’s more difficult when the ruling party dominates the daily narrative by notching big wins at home and abroad. A recent CNN poll put the Democrats’ favorable rating at a record low—29%. They have only themselves to blame.

    After all, it was Democratic voters who nominated far-left extremist Zohran Mamdani as their candidate for New York mayor. He’s running on a platform of free everything and won’t disavow the slogan “globalize the intifada.” He has said that “seizing the means of production” is something “we firmly believe in” and that “I don’t think we should have billionaires.” If Mr. Mamdani wins, Republicans will use him to trash all Democrats in the 2026 midterms.

    That’s not Democrats’ only problem. Grassroots activists are urging congressional Democrats at town halls to “fight dirtier” and “get in the mud.” Anger isn’t a strategy. It’s a tone that could turn off up-for-grabs voters. Anyone who hates President Trump is already energized. What he says and does will keep those partisans riled up. But others who are open to voting for Democrats in 2026 need much more, including a reasonable agenda that isn’t on the fringe.

    That enthusiasm in the party exists mainly on the left is a problem for Democrats hoping to convert swing voters. The national Fighting Oligarchy Tour of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) brought out progressive true believers this spring, but made the Democratic Party appear even more distant from the mainstream.

    There are other divisions between the hard left and normal Democrats. Former Democratic National Committee Vice Chairman David Hogg keeps organizing primary challenges by leftists to older moderate or traditional Democrats. Support for Israel has become a dividing line in Democratic primaries. Resources and energy spent in these intraparty fights won’t be available for the general election, thereby diminishing the party’s unity and appeal.

    Democrats are missing the boat on issues, too. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, who is up for re-election next June, can improve her chances in a liberal city by condemning the Border Patrol’s removal of violent criminal aliens and demanding that Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents “leave . . . right now.” But that paints Democrats generally as soft on border security and crime.

    Democrats would be smarter to support returning violent criminal illegal aliens to their home countries, albeit with due process. They can do this while opposing the deportation of people who came here illegally many years ago but have clean records, work hard, pay taxes and contribute to America’s prosperity. Polls suggest that’s a big winner.

    Transgender issues are another Democratic problem. It’d be wise to accept a ban on men in women’s sports while defending parental rights. It’s dumb to attack the Supreme Court for letting religious parents opt their kids out of public school classes advocating gay rights and sexual boundary-pushing.

    Democrats seem unable to grab an opportunity to attract independent voters and even make modest inroads with soft Republicans. Where is the Democrats’ sustained messaging criticizing Mr. Trump’s pardons of people convicted of attacking police on Jan. 6, 2021? A Washington Post/Ipsos survey found 83% opposed his clemency for violent criminal offenders who assaulted the Capitol.

    On the other hand, some Democrats are smartly criticizing the Justice Department’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. The DNC posts daily reminders that the Trump administration hasn’t released the Epstein files. Congressional Democrats are demanding immediate hearings and legislation to compel Justice to make everything public. All this stirs up divisions in MAGA-land that redound to the benefit of Democrats.

    But this is marginal stuff. Democrats lack leadership and a compelling message. Maybe blind opposition to anything Mr. Trump does will be enough to sweep the midterms, especially if the economy weakens. Even so, effective leadership that shaped a forward-looking agenda and undercut the White House on important issues would produce a bigger Democratic victory.

    After last November’s Republican victory, perhaps this was destined to be a bad stretch for Democrats. But their leaders—Sen. Chuck Schumer, Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and DNC Chairman Ken Martin—have been remarkably inept. Then there are the Bidens. Hunter Biden this week trashed Democrats for abandoning his father, who would have been a sure winner in November. Right.

    The once mighty Democratic Party is today run by political midgets who aren’t selling much that’s appealing. It’s almost enough to make you feel sorry for them. Almost.

    Mr. Rove helped organize the political-action committee American Crossroads and is author of “The Triumph of William McKinley” (Simon & Schuster, 2015).

     
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    Democratic Voters Who Skipped 2024 Election Want Candidates Like Bernie, AOC
    “The conventional wisdom is really wrong on these voters,” says pollster Celinda Lake. “They want leaders who will fight for everyone”

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...aoc-democrats-voters-skipped-2024-1235387827/
     
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    The Dem Party is fine, everything is a ok. They still have dipshit morons and fat fucck like astro123, reeko, DD and about 20 hardcore voters here in the D&D. Bwahahaha!
     
  12. pgabriel

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    Are you a Bernie Bro? Just asking

    Harris loss by more than what people thought would happen but most elections are decided by the few truly unaligned voters. It's a difficult task but I think Democrats should try to be centrist.

    Getting the rich to pay more shouldn't be that hard of a message. Trump's biggest draw imo was anti immigration
     
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    Im a person for sure.

    It depends on what you’re asking with that question.

    I do like Bernie as an overall politician and a good bit of his positions. I enthusiastically supported him as a candidate in both primaries. In that sense, yes.

    But if the question is more in the sense of asking is my political basis is “I’m for whatever he’s for” ala maga/trumper, I would say no.

    In general I get most of my political intuition (outside of the naturally self held ethics/opinions from ones raising’s that everyone has) from data and international perspective. I’m kind of an advanced stats/box score fan equivalent politically in that regard.



    On the point of centrism for the win, I’d say I think that’s a false notion. Bernie in particular had by far the most independent support out of all candidates in both primaries. His problem was getting the actual Dem base in support him.

    I generally think people don’t understand the notes that can be hit from the left that connect with independents / right wingers.

    You brought up immigration, and Bernie happens to be a good example for that. Many assume Bernie is the ultimate leftist so he naturally supports open borders as the far left does. Right?

    But in reality no, Bernie’s flavor of left politics is inherently a good bit protectionist with all that entails. He doesn’t support open borders, he doesn’t support the free trade agreements, he’s espoused that his primary focus economically is to create well paying jobs in America. His economic politics would actually line up well with implementing strategic tariffs and strong immigration enforcement lol.
     
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    Thanks, great response and Bernie could have definitely beaten Trump in w016. His positions were very good for that election and Trump has only gotten stronger.

    The push for Hilary really has been destructive
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/democra...0?st=p5SNPX&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    Democrats’ ‘Autopsy’ Flop
    The party is searching in all the wrong places for answers to why it lost in 2024.
    By Kimberley A. Strassel
    July 24, 2025 5:21 pm ET

    It’s hard to know who is currently winning the contest for 2024 ostrichism: A Democratic Party conducting an election “autopsy” that ignores Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, or the hooting media that ignores everything beyond the Biden/Harris campaign disaster. It is this echo chamber that elected Donald Trump twice, and the question is when the left will remember that voters are the ones who pick the president.

    The New York Times’s revelation that the Democratic National Committee’s 2024 campaign autopsy won’t touch on Mr. Biden’s decision to run again, his coronation of Ms. Harris, or her key decisions, is certainly worth a skewering. As is the news that the report will instead devote most of its attention to “outside groups,” including the party’s main SuperPAC, which apparently lost Democrats the whole kaboodle by misallocating advertising dollars.

    The Times story sent writers racing for the best comparison put-down. An autopsy that lacked Biden/Harris, said the Times, was like “eating at a steakhouse and then reviewing the salad.” No, said the Nation, it was like “a production of Hamlet that leaves out not just the Prince of Denmark but also Claudius, Gertrude, the Ghost, and Ophelia.” Actually, said a Republican consultant in the Hill, it was like “doing John F. Kennedy’s autopsy, and only examining his feet.”

    Fair enough, if obvious. Of course it mattered that the Biden inner circle chose to spend half of 2024 on a remake of “Weekend at Bernie’s.” Of course it mattered that Mr. Biden then anointed a woman who’d never won a single presidential primary vote, who’d become a liability as vice president, and who then ran a policy-free campaign centered on joy, media-avoidance and accusations of fascism.

    Obvious, too, because deflection and finger-pointing are now de rigeur in the Democratic Party. In 2017, Hillary Clinton blamed her humiliating loss on sabotage by Russia, sexism, Jim Comey and an insufficiently prostrate press corps. The party blamed its 2022 midterm House loss on the public’s failure to understand the brilliance of Mr. Biden’s spending and economic agenda.

    Yet the mainstream media’s willful insistence that the loss must be put down solely to Biden/Harris is equally comedic. The coverage is almost desperate to insist that the left’s only problem is the messenger—and the means of messaging. Which puts the media in the exact same spot as the “autopsy” it ridicules, as that document is headed to a finding that the party needs someone who does a better job of “connecting” and “explaining,” and who doubles down on organizing.

    What both camps studiously ignore is the voter verdict. That is, the voters who last year decisively rejected the progressive agenda that defines today’s Democratic Party. A real autopsy would focus almost entirely on the unpopularity of the ideas that animate the political left: open borders, unrestrained spending, union power, climate diktats, police-bashing, anti-Israel sentiment, identity politics. It would note not just the polls showing this rejection, but the proof in the form of recent, extraordinary demographic shifts that show a left losing its grip on whole categories of once reliable voter groups.

    A real autopsy would meditate on the disconnect between a nation that wants the freedom to build, grow and achieve, and a Democratic Party increasingly obsessed with locking up and redistributing a government-micromanaged ecosystem. It might even consider a case study of, say, San Francisco, for some evidence of how its policies fail in practice, and how voters respond on issues like crime or education. A few liberal policy wonks are feeling out a new direction—see the talk of an “abundance” agenda—yet party leaders have so far resolutely refused to go there.

    An honest examination would drill in to the failure of eight years of lawfare, the party’s decision to weaponize government for political gain. It would ask if the partisan ambitions that fuel the progressive left’s calls to end the legislative filibuster, nationalize election laws, pack the Supreme Court or abolish the Electoral College are worth the distrust they sow among average voters who want stability. It would question what internal or cultural dysfunction allowed an entire Democratic establishment to salute a misguided leader, and worse, to excoriate those rare individuals (Dean Phillips) with the backbone to warn of a coming trainwreck.

    None of this will happen, for a simple reason. The progressive left remains a minority in the liberal movement, but its true believers nonetheless occupy all the positions of power, including the leadership of the DNC (and most Beltway press jobs). They won’t criticize their basic world view. If change is to come to the Democratic Party—and it will—expect it to come in the form of a charismatic outsider who shows a new way, not via a pro forma autopsy by an insular claque that has no real regrets over the course that actually lost them an election.

    Appeared in the July 25, 2025, print edition as 'Democrats’ ‘Autopsy’ Flop'.


     
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