Lol show me the team that's trading 4 or 5 first round picks for - Alperen Sengun - that's not currently in the Turkish SüperLïgi
So much of that depends on what the price is. Alp, Tari and 6 FRP's including two Suns, 1 Nets makes us FVV, Amen, KD, Giannis, Adams, with Bari, Reed, Clint, DFS as the bench. An INSANE 5 year win now window. Our 2028 pick, our 2031 pick, and tons of 2nds. By 2030 we could have all picks minus 2031. The team then is Reed hopefully a top 10 PG, Amen who is hopefully a top 10 player, Bari who is a very good 18/9 very good defender. All 27 and younger. Giannis is now as old as KD, and we have picks, and a great core and another 5 year window, or 10 years or title hopes. All with maybe 2 titles.
Are you serious a 22 year old all star on a team friendly deal? He'd go for way more than 4 first round picks. Desmond bane got 4 first round picks....
Alpi might have a few of the "Sengun Only" types here but their number doesn't match at all the rabid blind fandom of the Lin Only Fans. We have far more of the "Alperen is so overrated" posters who conflate recognition of his talent to worship. And as others are pointing out, do you see the "4 first round picks" type deals that other players are culling when traded?
As was Jalen Green, Cam Whitmore and as are Jabari Smith, Tari Eason, & Reed Sheppard there is definitely a segment of posters here who don't understand the game of basketball.
First, the Desmond Bane deal was also for Orlando to get off Kentavious Caldwell Pope - which they had to include picks with. Second, I absolutely believe that the trade market for an undersized non shooting big man with limited defense is way more limited than anybody would have you believe - it's the Domantas Sabonis problem. Productive player, but also - who cares? Nobody wants Sabonis - the kings tried! Sengun is a floor clogger on offense which makes him hard to build around. He needs help on defense. Unless he gets dramatically better at finishing and shooting - something he got worse at last year -I don't see anyone wanting to build their team around it because he limits your options and your ceiling. Anyway it's pretty clear nobody has offered this for Sengun anyway so ultimately who cares? But our fans way overrate him.
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeez. Yeah, I guess Sengun's game is all negative. Put his ass on the trading block. You would be happy, but I doubt we'd see such a verbose post as the one above. I guess the practiced apology would go (nod to "A Fish Called Wanda"), "This / these offer(s) are far and above what I was expecting. Hunh. I was so wr-wr-wr....I was so wr-wro-wro...."
So a 22 year old center that is already a top 20 player in the entire league is "overrated"? Is this coming from the same people who defended a draft bust for nearly 4 years?
Why bother with Sam? He hates all young guys. He even sh*ts on Amen. I don’t know if he is even a Rockets fan. Our team is so bad and our young players are so bad we won 52 games and easily could have been 55 if we didn’t rest our players (a dumbass move by Ime). I asked him one time who on the Rockets he liked. Crickets.
Don't confuse me with someone else. I didn't want Jalen and I wasn't pro Jalen really at any point he was here. I also don't dispute that Sengun is a very good player.
The people who take issue with Sengun, to me, seem to mostly take issue with his archetype while acknowledging that he is a good player. I go back and forth. I understand the skepticism regarding his archetype tho.
There isn't another center in the NBA that approaches Jokic's style better than Sengun. That's why we're excited!
I concur with this sentiment. I think we have lots of "old school" NBA fans on this board as well as "new school" / advanced metrics, etc. who don't necessarily see things in the same light. I mostly appreciate the discourse because at the end of the day I think there are just a lot of Rockets fans here to share our thoughts.
That's fine, it wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, I just find it odd how much Sengun seemingly gets **** on despite being a top 20 player at such a young age. It's something I've heard from many different posters
I am not crapping on him. I think he has some limitations that concern me if he's the best player on your team, but, as I've said before, there are only 2-5 players at any given time in the league who are "complete" in that sense. Where I dispute the ranking of him on this board is only with those people who think he's either already in that tier or is a lock to be.
