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[Big beautiful bill] MAGA add 6 trillion dollars in debt while kicking off 17 million off Healthcare

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, May 12, 2025.

  1. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

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    Increase the deficit and kick millions off healthcare. Who does this benefit? Most rural hospitals rely on medicare to function.
     
  2. Nook

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    I am deeply involved in charities for the homeless, and for women and children in poverty.

    I can say that the Catholic church actually does more and spends more money on those in poverty than any other branch of Christianity, or really any other religious group. I have worked with almost all of them, and the Catholic Church and the Presbyterians are the best at also not expecting those getting their services to convert or attend mass/ or prayer.

    I am not taking any position concerning Catholicism, or any other faith - only commenting on actual concern for the poor and use of funds to actually help those that need help. The Catholic Church isn't perfect about it, I have ran into some corruption within that Church, but overall it is the "gold star" when it comes to charity work.

    The biggest issue I see is that in the past people would get a lot of their moral guidance from church in their local communities and their families. While this is far from perfect, it did allow a large institution like a branch of Catholicism or Methodism to preach the importance of empathy and care for the poor --- now these institutions have very little actual social currency and people are getting moral guidance from TIK TOK and celebrities and politicians... and these people are usually extreme.

    I can say right now that I see less concern for the poor and women and children than I have in 20+ years of heavy involvement in charities. Right now whether someone is an "R" or a "D" or what their race is matters more than anything. Women IMO have it the worst, as young people do not believe in the idea of "women and children first", or the idea that women and children have it harder in life. I have ran into a lot of younger men that have zero empathy for women at all.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    And they hide those cuts until after the midterm.

    The GOP is just a mob now, they aren't doing the work for the American people they are lining their own pockets at the people's expense.

    They are now just grifters and con people that lack moral fiber.

    DD
     
  4. Nook

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    Being a waiter or working in a golf club, or door men all were meant to be long term jobs and were for a really long time. There were lots of men that did it, and while they were not rich, they were able to support themselves and sometimes families until they were old. The job paid well for those that were very good at it - so usually older men that made a career out of it. That is still the case with the ultra wealthy, a lot times they have servers and others in the service industry that are incredibly good at their jobs, and have decades of experience.

    In the 1970's we started seeing more kids operating as servers in more general widespread middle-class restaurants and in golf clubs for a variety of reasons.

    Now - we are headed quickly to a situation where the tipping culture will largely be gone. Post COVID there was a lot of abuse by small restaurants and business owners that alienated consumers that felt exploited and tipping has become less common. Couple that with a lot larger cities and restaurants moving towards paying "a living wage", and telling consumers to not feel obligated to tip, as it is built into the menu prices because of laws passed.

    So, while the "no tax on tipping" is something that is good right now, it will largely be neutered because of the changing face of tipping. I was a bartender for years, and did very well on tips because I learned what people liked and remembered people's names, etc... I was in college and made more money than some white collar guys (and no bartender claims even 1/3 of his tips), I also had an amazing dating life as well because women and people in general think bartenders are fun or must be great in bed. So I enjoyed my experience and do not want the tipping culture to go away, it is one of the easiest ways for someone to have some control over how hard they work and their income - but it really is going by the wayside.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    I put myself through college and paid off student debt with a tipping job as a bartender.

    That being said, we should remove that all together, people in this country have been screwed into keeping costs down at the expense of others.

    Remove tipping - just pay people like they do all over the world....and yes costs will go up but they will normalize...

    DD
     
  6. Ubiquitin

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    The policy will impact Americans who work beyond standard hours—40 for those in full-time roles—in hourly wage jobs. The no-tax-on-overtime provision would allow individuals to deduct up to $12,500 of overtime pay from their taxable income for tax years 2025 through 2028, while couples filing jointly could deduct up to $25,000.

    So not exactly no tax on overtime. But with tariffs at 10+% government makes up for it.
     
  7. justtxyank

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    No tax on tips is a stupid policy designed to buy votes in one state while giving high earners a new loophole to exploit.
     
  8. No Worries

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    There is a 25K limit, IIRC.
     
  9. Amiga

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    I think we all know by now that if there's a tax loophole, it will be exploited. Knowing that, and in response to that criticism, the bill limits the deduction to $25k per year and phases it out for those with an AGI over $150k.

    However, overall, it's mostly a gimmick. Those who could benefit from it are still likely to end up paying more. The CBO estimates that the House version of the bill would cost the poorest Americans $1600 per year, and it's likely even higher under the Senate version.

    Some people may still come out ahead initially, but weakening safety nets, even if they seem irrelevant when you don't need them, can have real consequences down the line when you do.

    This basically boils down to more wealth flowing to the top at the expense of everyone else, including the middle class, who might be fine (or even gain from this bill) for now but could find themselves in need later on.
     
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  10. DaDakota

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    The truth is most TIPS are unreported anyway, this is a gimmicky talking point for ignorant people.

    DD
     
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  11. Ubiquitin

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    There are three standouts in this bill.

    The continuation of the 2017 tax cuts.
    Gutting Medicaid
    Dramatically increasing the money for ICE/DHS

    Everything else is noise and real people will suffer.

    I will not feel as much pain as most of you having read a lot of the bill but I am already feeling pain from other decisions of this Trump administration.
     
  12. No Worries

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    There are also a huge bump to defense spending, which is a bit questionable.
     
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  13. Ubiquitin

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    I wish I worked for Raytheon. Or Boeing.
     
  14. Jugdish

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    Nothing extreme about telling children they'll burn for all eternity if they pleasure themselves or find themselves loving someone of their own gender while enabling and protecting the people raping them.
     
  15. Reeko

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    the devastation these rural mindless drones just brought on themselves will be discussed for years to come

    it’s already hard enough to get doctors to even want to work in those areas, and now hospitals will be getting closed left and right

    the way republicans can get these fools to vote for their own demise is quite the phenomenon

    I’m sure they’ll blame Biden or whatever tf these idiots do whenever republican policies blow up in their face
     
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  16. snowconeman22

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    They won't be able to complain when they're dead
     
  17. Ubiquitin

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    I have a lot of family on Medicaid who have complex medical needs who are going to have a much harder life because one aunt is using Medicaid to pay for her lung cancer treatments and the other is using Medicaid to pay for heart failure and COPD. Their small regional hospital will likely close up.
     
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  18. FrontRunner

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    Nvm my bad attempt at humor.

    I hope they both get the care they need!
     
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