[Big beautiful bill] MAGA add 6 trillion dollars in debt while kicking off 17 million off Healthcare

Musk Was Once an Undocumented Immigrant in the U.S.

https://www.popularmigrant.com/archives/9680

 

Because the government paid a Stanford professor to work on something for 6 months 50+ years ago, you think that my internet is provided by the government? What a ridiculous argument.

 

Going to prison is the punishment for committing a crime. These people have committed a crime and will be humanely detained until they're deported.

I asked do you believe in the rule of law and borders? Because if you do you should believe these illegals should be deported. Or you don't understand the definition of the word illegal.

 

Nope, depends on if you believe the CBO numbers or Trump. Everything Trump has said so far when it comes to the economy has come true.

Tariffs helped not hurt
Low inflation
Low gas prices
Secured border

Etc....

 

This may surprise you but I do support enforcing deporting individuals who are here illegally. I am very strict in hiring those with Visas and I will not hire someone who cannot complete an I9. And for the rule and law, I believe that laws should be universally applied and enforced within the borders of a sovereign nation. Laws that are selectively applied are not real laws. And not all laws are just. “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”
Immigration laws need dramatic reform to allow more people to immigrate here given our interconnected world.

Your concern is that immigrants drain social safety nets. My concern is that there are not enough people to pay into the social safety nets.
Cut the social safety nets and watch the stability of the United States plummet.

 

A lot of folks on Medicaid may not now realize they are on Medicaid, but they will soon enough.

 

Tax cuts for whalers and crushing Medicaid so we can build concentration camps in central Florida.

A concentration camp is a prison or other facility used for the internment of political prisoners or politically targeted demographics, such as members of national or ethnic minoritygroups, on the grounds of national security, or for exploitation or punishment.[1]

Prominent examples of historic concentration camps include the British confinement of non-combatants during the Second Boer War, the internment of Japanese, German, and Italian Americans during the Second World War, the Nazi concentration camps(which later morphed into extermination camps), and the Soviet labour camps or gulag.

 

Yep, the last paragraph is where we disagree. The answer is using the HB1 Visa's to let foreign workers in to earn a living but it doesn't give them free access to all of the freebies that the taxpayers provide because they're not citizens.

 

Didn't realize Libertarians get to pick and choose when big government is ok or not ok. I guess it's the Internet for me and not for thee principal.

 

maybe this can jog your memory?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/10/26/elon-musk-immigration-status/

Claims about Elon Musk’s immigration status stem from reports that he worked in the United States without proper authorization in the mid-1990s while launching his first company, Zip2. Musk, born in South Africa and later a Canadian citizen through his mother, arrived in the U.S. in 1995 on a J-1 student visa to attend Stanford University for a graduate program. According to a Washington Post report, he never enrolled in classes, instead focusing on Zip2, which violated the terms of his student visa. Under U.S. immigration law at the time, J-1 visa holders were required to be enrolled in a full course of study and could only work in limited circumstances related to their academic program.


Musk’s brother, Kimbal, has publicly stated in a 2013 interview that they were “illegal immigrants” during Zip2’s early days, though Elon described it as a “gray area.” Musk has denied working illegally, claiming he transitioned from a J-1 visa to an H-1B work visa, though he hasn’t provided specifics on the timing. Documents and former associates cited by the Washington Post indicate that Zip2 investors, concerned about Musk’s status and potential deportation, gave him and his co-founders 45 days to secure legal work authorization in 1996. By 1997, Musk and Kimbal reportedly obtained work visas through a NAFTA category for Canadians.


Immigration experts note that working without authorization, as Musk allegedly did, violates immigration law and could have made him deportable. Additionally, if he failed to disclose this when applying for U.S. citizenship (granted in 2002), it could theoretically lead to denaturalization, though experts like David Bredin argue this is unlikely due to thorough vetting during the citizenship process. Kimbal Musk also admitted to misleading U.S. border officials to attend a business meeting, an act that could be considered “fraud on entry” and potentially bar him from the U.S., though no consequences followed.

 

excerpt:

In conclusion, the claim that Elon Musk was once an “illegal immigrant” in the U.S. remains unproven. While Musk joked about being in a “gray area” concerning his immigration status, the evidence suggests he followed legal procedures through student and employment visas. There is no credible evidence to assert that he was ever fully “illegal” during his decades in the U.S.
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more at the link

 

Edit: this bill remains a dumpster fire

 

This bill will kick people out of nursing homes, when Medicare is paying for it, destitute people without families.

I am 100% for killing fraud and abuse - but this isn't that.

And why are we giving billionaires tax breaks? Why are corporations like Amazon paying no taxes.

We have to stop this, corporations and rich people need to pay their fare share, there is no safe society when people can't make a living, they will revolt, history knows this and people that are rich will die because of it.

We have turned into a "let them eat cake" leadership party, and they selfishly don't care about anyone other than themselves.

You can literally FOLLOW the money on everything.

1. Republicans want farmers to go broke so they can buy up their land cheap
2. Imprisoning illegals at $165 per day cost to our tax dollars is what this immigration bullshit is all about.
3. They are hiding the pain until after the midterms because they know people will revolt.

The GOP is a racist MAGA party at the moment, and they are all too afraid to stand up for what they know is right, for fear of losing their job, never mind they are going to force everyone in this country to pay more for Fruits, Vegatables, meats because no workers are there to pick them or package them.

The entire policy is about ****ING over the regular people to enrich their election donating billionaire buddies.

This is the biggest GRIFT in history, and stupid people go along with it......

DD

 

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And they'll blame Dems and do it again in 3yrs. Dems do seem to be complicit though.

 

With all that ICE money in the bill maybe I'll throw some more into GEO Group and CoreCivic stocks...

 

LOL. STOP SMOKING THAT CRACK! Tariffs have raised prices. Inflation has not gotten out of hand because companies have been creative to keep pricing stable (that won't last forever). Gas Prices are not at $1.99, more like $2.71 for the cheapest and $3.18 average. Border is not secure...lol.

 

No, it is that private development has largely shaped the Internet, and you are hung up on a small government funded contract with a professor working at a private research university to claim that somehow Comcast providing people Internet access is actually a government handout. You people cannot actually believe this nonsense actually constitutes a legitimate argument, can you? Surely you are trying to score some technical gotcha Internet points and you understand that the Internet has largely been developed by private industry to make trillions of dollars.