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[Big beautiful bill] MAGA add 6 trillion dollars in debt while kicking off 17 million off Healthcare

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, May 12, 2025.

  1. astros123

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    The no tax on tips only applies to the first 25k that individual makes.

    If a server makes 100k on tips they would only get a break on their first 25k. Its a drop in the bucket and a scam to make it seem bigger than reality
     
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    Well Trumps favorite musical is Les Mis.
     
  3. FrontRunner

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    It's personal to me too. I'm looking at a picture of someone I really care about that could well end up... ****ed to no end. :(
     
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  4. Agent94

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    You’re laughing your ass off at 70,000 dead people. That’s sick. The program is PEPFAR that does HIV treatment and prevention. A program off well known communist George W Bush.
     
  5. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    When the average family is going to take home an additional $13,300 under this bill, that's a great thing. The Democrats want Trump's 2017 tax cuts to expire -- which would absolutely wreck the economy and represent the largest tax hike in history. The Democrats want tips taxed. The Democrats want overtime pay and social security taxed. Enough is enough. Trump's historic bill grows the economy, keeps energy costs low by promoting -- not punishing -- low-cost fossil fuels, funds savings accounts for newborns, and fully funds the border wall and the reinvigoration of the military.

    This bill represents ROCKET FUEL for the United States economy. Which is why the stock market is kissing all time highs in anticipation of the bill's passage. Think like an Industrialist -- invest accordingly.


    GOOD DAY
     
  6. Ubiquitin

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    Did dogeai write this?
     
  7. astros123

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    Lmao that 13k number takes into consideration well have 5% gdp growth which is utter bullshit. Tax cuts have never lead to accelerated gdp growth. Didn't work in 2017, didnt work in 2003, and didnt work with the Regan tax cuts.

    I cant believe MAGATs are still claiming giving tax cuts to billionaires will trickle down to regular people. Nobody buys that bullshit in 2025.

    Low iq cultists
     
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    No. Why? Many tradesmen make over a $100000 because of overtime. THE cutoff for the exemption is $100000! So they don’t qualify. **** the plumbers, electricians, and mechanics!
    I am not going point by point on his bulshit. None of what he listed is true.
     
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  9. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    People can look at the poor grammar, poor logic, and poor self-discipline of the post above and very quickly conclude that the author has little credibility. It reads like a grade school child wrote it.

    Trump's 2017 tax cuts fueled record tax receipts and a high growth economy that led to the lowest unemployment rate for blacks and Hispanics ever. COVID (actually the Democrats' response to COVID) interrupted the strongest economy in the history of the world -- powered by Trump's tax cuts. Record GDP, record tax receipts, and record high job creation -- that's what Trump's first tax cuts achieved. This bill is even better.

    But don't mind me, these are just the sober facts. And take it from me -- an Industrialist -- this legislation will supercharge our economy and prosperity for ALL in America. Low cost energy, no taxes on tips, social security, or overtime pay, savings accounts for newborns -- amazing gifts to the working class in particular.


    GOOD DAY
     
  10. Reeko

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    Dems don’t even try to have a media presence

    How come they’re not running ads 24/7 about this bill? They’re raising all this money, right? Where’s it all going? They should’ve been on a full-court press for the midterms months ago. They should be relentless

    they’re spending more time attacking Mamdani than they are attacking this bill

    they just let all the republican bullsh*t go on unchecked
     
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  11. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Nothing is stopping Democrat voters from doing so either.
     
  12. astros123

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    MAGATS- well have 5% gdp growth after cut scam!!! Well let's look at the past

    2017 Tax cut scam signed
    2017 - GDP 2.7%
    2018- GDP 2.9%
    2019- GDP 2.3%

    But yeah guys dont worry this time will totally be different!!! This time the billionaires pinky promised they'll pass the tax cuts to the Middle class!! Lmao nobody buys you braindead cultists propaganda no more. This isnt the 1980s anymore.

    Get outta here with your bullshit propaganda. And record low black unemployment happened under biden in 2022.
     
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  13. subtomic

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    It isn't up to the Democratic party any more to communicate the reality of GOP bills and policies - the combination of unfair media and their own lack of communication skills means they can't message effectively. It's been like this for my entire half century of a life and it isn't changing now.

    It's up to us enlightened citizens to communicate the reality to our friends and families who are ignorant. I still see too many people say " I don't let politics get in between me and my family/friends" which basically means they're staying silent when their loved ones repeat GOP lies. Uncomfortable conversations need to be had - we have to be the ones within our spheres of influence to get the message out.
     
  14. subtomic

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    The issues that will arise from this bill are of a scale that only the government can manage. That's a plain fact - your libertarian view of the world has been proven a failure when it comes to protecting the most vulnerable among us.

    Left of center government is likely the only reason you yourself are alive. It's too bad you're too stupid to understand this.
     
  15. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    The fact that all of you don't choose to follow through on what you profess to support just proves you are hypocrites, it doesn't prove I am wrong. I don't care if the most vulnerable are not coddled. They need to stand up and support themselves, like I do and half the country does. Your sob stories are meaningless to me. Everyone that wants to support other people does so (I know I do). No one should have money forcibly taken from them to support others. If you and your fellow left of center voters aren't willing to put your money behind what you are voting to spend my money on, why should you have the right to make me do it? There is nothing magical about the government doing something instead of an individual or a group. The only difference is that the government allows people to force other people to pay.
     
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    The funniest notion is somehow "the other half" stand up for themselves. We didnt bail out wall street in 2009? We didnt bail out auto companies on the verge of bankruptcy in 2010s? We didnt bail out the big banks? We didnt bail out the hedge funds in 2022? We didnt bailout corporations to the tune of 600 billion during covid? We dont have tax laws that unfairly favor rich folks when it comes to inheritance? Are we not bailing out farmers right now to the tune of billions?

    I love this delusional concept that rich folks have somehow made it on their own. We give out more corporate subsidies than we do on anything else.
     
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    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Another freeloader unless poster is living in a secluded woods and created his own ISP to post.
     
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  19. Ubiquitin

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    It’s all about Framing.

    The Bill’s name “Big Beautiful Bill” makes it seem like nothing but goodness is inside for the politically illiterate masses.
    Network news basically repeating the White House talking points on it.

    It’s filled with special interest tax cuts (looking at you, Alaska). And it is going to be both inflationary and cause deficits to spike.

    It’s ultimately a recipe for disaster. But Americans who voted for Trump and the GOP deserve it.
     
  20. subtomic

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    You’re correct - the power of the government to handle large scale social welfare isn’t magical. It’s a lot of hard work and project management that is simply too big to do efficiently by a motley bunch of small independent organizations.

    To use one example, I imagine most of us have helped someone pay for a meal some time in our lives. Some of us do it regularly. However, the distribution of willing donors may not be aligned with the distribution of those in need. So the government can bridge that gap, and if they do so at a large scale, they can pay for meals in bulk, thus lowering the costs. Sure, charities can buy in bulk as well, but not to the degree that the government can.

    As far as your tired “taxation is theft” spiel, taxation is the membership fee of living in a community. If you wish to leave our community, good luck to you. I seriously doubt you can afford a fully unincorporated parcel of land and you certainly couldn’t afford all the services that government provides to you.

    As tired as you are of “coddling” the vulnerable, I’m tired of coddling those who enjoy the benefits of living in a community and then constantly support efforts to undermine that same community. Your selfishness is not a virtue or an act of “FREEDOM!!’” It’s just plain old childishness.
     
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