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[Big beautiful bill] MAGA add 4 trillion dollars in debt while kicking off 15 million off Healthcare

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  1. rimrocker

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    It didn't happen overnight. The viral strain has always been there throughout our history. You can argue about the modern origins, but I would put a lot of it on W's administration when we politicized torture. Once you accept torture, it makes it easy to accept disappearing people. It also brings people who enjoy inflicting pain on others out of the woodwork. Same with ICE. Once we've dehumanized thousands of ICE officers, what can we ever do with them? For reference, here's Justice Jackson's opening remarks. Just change a few words and it could apply to ICE. I hope we hear similar stuff in courtrooms here in a couple of years. If we don't, we are truly and finally done.

    https://www.roberthjackson.org/spee...t-before-the-international-military-tribunal/

    A few highlights:

    And that's just from the opening section.


     
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    Hey man thanks for the material. I'll definitely read what you sent me tonight. Thanks for your input! You're obviously a smart individual and I enjoy reading your point of view. You're older than me and have seen more than me.

    Will get back to you after I do more reading
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    We are getting very close to the passage of an historic tax cut that will truly unleash the American economy. Rocket fuel for economic growth, jobs, and wealth creation. All reading this will benefit greatly.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    The craziness is .. . the delusion that they are not among the "lessers"

    Why are Government subsidies good for the rich but not the poor
    and make no mistake. . these are for the rich

    Why would we possible subsidize coal?

    Rocket River
     
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  6. Rocket River

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    They are creating a NEED TO jail people

    Rocket River
     
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  7. Rocket River

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    They are basically the new Klu Klux Klan
    with governmental authority

    Masked terrorist with government approval
    With the Klan the approval was just unspoken

    Rocket River
     
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    https://pepfar.impactcounter.com/

    Trump's cuts to just one program have killed an estimate 70,000 people to date.

    Trump is evil and so are those who support him.
     
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    What is striking to me is how quickly the low-info liberal voter is willing to label something fascist. Fascism involves increasing the size of government. Censorship. Persecuting political opponents. Taking away the right for the people to have guns. State control over corporations and the means of production. Persecution of Jews was a common theme for fascist regimes during the 20th century.

    Liberals have promoted censorship (de-platforming of opponents), tried to remove Trump from the ballot, promoting the taking away of the ability of the populace to keep and bear arms (they would if they could), using the courts to jail and bankrupt political opponents. Marching in opposition to the Jewish state.

    Conservatives today are doing the OPPOSITE of these things. Smaller government, 2A rights, support for the Jewish state, getting government OUT of private business, restoring fairness in our judicial system (rule of law, due process; moving away from political prosecutions like the disgraced Letitia James, Fanni Willis, and Judge Engoron), DECREASING the size of government (DOGE), and so on.

    So yet again, we have a situation where the liberals are the ones behaving most similar to 20th century fascism... and the Republicans are working to restore power to the people. Liberals have it backwards yet again.

    GOOD DAY
     
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    And then make them live on the company farm and trade in company script for overprice food and basic goods. The libertarian ideal - make the poor desperately poor.
     
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    No, it hasn't. Libertarianism is mindbogglingly stupid. So many of your over simplified assumptions are flat out wrong. Who's taking care of our homeless right now, most of whom are mentally ill.
     
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    lol
     
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    Tell me how this Bill is good, dont just lol at it.
     
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    I lol'd at the statement, "Libertarianism is mindbogglingly stupid."
     
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    Okay fine, I'd still like you to answer my question about this bill though.
     
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    I've got no opinion on the bill, haven't been following that issue
     
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    Yes. I learned a few years ago that Costa Rica has better health care than the US and they do it at a fraction of the cost. Just the availability of care makes a huge difference. Also focusing on prevention, instead of the aftermath. It doesn't need to be world class for everyone.
     
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    Trump is easily bought. It's all quid pro quo with him. He doesn't care about America, the energy grid, or climate change. He only cares that you bend the knee and line his pocketbook.
     
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    ...or the opinions of the self proclaimed libertarians here who all sound batshit insane.
     
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  20. Agent94

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    A socialist jobs program to kick brown people out of the country is the American dream. They'll eventually get to @Salvy so it's not all bad.
     
    #620 Agent94, Jun 30, 2025 at 12:57 PM
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