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We need to trade Sengun while his value is at its highest

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by chef0010, May 18, 2025.

  1. astrosrule

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    Fortunately we have a young curry :)
     
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    What is delusional is that it is the only way to achieve success. It's a 5 on 5 sport,everyone should be addressing their deficiencies. Should Sengun be able to shoot the 3? Absolutely, he should have it as a goal to be able to unlock MVP potential, much like Jokic. But a far more pressing need is the team as a whole and get our underperforming players to become good at their primary duties, then we can talk about wishes.

    In short, would I like to have Sengun shooting 3s? Definitely. But that it is a must? Delusional when your argument is done to prop the weaknesses of other players that should not exist, such as a shooting guard being able to shoot.
     
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    Yeah that’s my b. Forgot we have white Steph Curry already on the roster.
     
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    *White Steph Curry meets Steve Nash meets "Chris Paul with a better shot"
     
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  5. albuster

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    This. It is mind-boggling that folks here are all concerned about Sengun's 3 point shot and would even trade him if he does not improve much on it. All these while practically overlooking the fact that the whole team is not able to consistently make that shot. I understand some of the reasoning behind that and the excuses for the mediocre performance of the other players that are allegedly caused by their center's lack of a 3 point shot. How many 3 point attempts does a center need to significantly affect a game's outcome? Does the threat of a center's outside shot significantly affect a game's outcome? The problem with the Rockets is not Sengun's lack of outside shooting although it would help if he could be consistent there, but the fundamental issue is that almost none of the players can shoot consistently. Putting the onus on their center to overcome that flaw is, I don't even want to say it.
     
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    It is also weird. They are putting the onus on the center to be the team's 3 point shooter when the rest of the team, except probably Reed, can't consistently shoot the 3. Many blame Sengun on the usually packed lane when it is obvious that opponents know that packing the lane will take away the Rockets' main offensive weapon because the other players can't shoot.
     
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    Exactly. Watch the other players become a threat from the outside and I don't care if Sengun takes a chair and sits in the paint, even 4 on 5 the lanes to drive will still be open. When you can routinely count on your shooters to not make shots, then yes, pack the paint because they are not making shots, why give them the drive? Somehow, shooting the 3 has become Sengun's responsibility so the backcourt can drive because they can't shoot. Mind you, from what I saw on the playoffs 1 player defending and everyone else shading quickly stopped that, but no, it's Sengun that has to learn to shoot the 3 and not everyone else.

    How about this: Let everyone become a better shooter because overall everyone was not shooting well when it was needed, including Sengun. Don't just single him out like it will fix our problems, it won't, instead it will take him away from being his best, a point center, guiding the offense as needed. He can move out of the way if needed, but it won't matter if everyone else can't shoot, they'll just keep packing the paint.
     
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  8. albuster

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    Very well stated.
     
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  9. SamFisher

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    It's Sengun and Thompson playing together which is why the lane is packed - it's not the role players spotted up outside.

    You can't have 2 non-shooters, unless you are the peak dynasty warriors and you have the 2 greatest movement shooters in history of all time on the floor next to them.
     
  10. albuster

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    That's not the point.
     
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    the sultan's value should be at its highest at age 26-28. should wait till then. in the meantime continue tanking for draft picks
     
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    With this team, we wouldn’t be in the lottery even with Silas
     
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  13. Mathloom

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    Read the sentence again. Curry has made 0 finals with his C sitting in the paint. In fact they are so certain of this strategy, they don't even care if Draymond can't shoot. They don't care if Bogut is a good post player. They don't even care if both Looney and Draymond can't shoot, they will not sit their bigs in the paint. They don't even care that they have the greatest shooter in NBA history who's primary attack is to shoot - because they know the the threat of the drive is necessary for creating space with the defender.

    This is the difference between Udoka and Kerr. Both studied Popovic. But Kerr also studied Phil Jackson and Mike D'Antoni. So he has options.

    Most importantly to us, it's really silly and disingenuous to compare our offense to the Warriors. Here: whatever Kerr does, we should do it too. Mark Jackson didn't get an all time elite offense out of that squad and no one has ever trusted him again. That's the spot we're in.
     
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    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    You obviously didn't read the article otherwise you'd understand the premise. No one is saying the backcourt should give up on developing. We're just saying Sengun is closer to being able to do damage from there than Amen. Even if you had Klay Thompson and Steph Curry in the backcourt, opening the lanes for their above average drives is more fruitful than a 41% midrange jumper or a post play from Sengun.

    You're too stuck on what we wish was the case. Try to be solution oriented. In this hypothetical where we stand pat, do you see Amen being able to shoot? Do you have faith in Green taking this many pull ups? So what do we do to improve the efficiency of our drives a little bit since it's the most important shot in all of basketball?
     
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    What I would do is surround Amen with shooters even if it means trading Sengun. That will open up the lane and make us a modern NBA offense. All this run it back stuff is nonsense. I believe Jabari and probably Jalen become better 3 pt shooters with two more shooters that opens up the lane for drive and dish.

    Amen can be the next SGA if he has 4 shooters surrounding him. Jalen will destroy people with the drive as well. If Ime is truly the defensive whisperer, surely replacing FVV and Sengun shouldn’t crater the defense. If Ime can’t fashion a great offense with Amen and 4 good shooters he is not deserving of his position. Amen, Jalen, Trey Murphy, Jabari, Adebayo. or if you don’t believe in Jalen then Amen, Reaves, Trey, Jabari, Adebayo. Sengun and a good pick would probably get you Adebayo. Dillon and 2 picks for Trey Murphy, Jalen and 1 pick would get you Reeves, you might be able to get him straight up.
     

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