Republicans raise the debt ceiling by 4 trillion while kicking millions off insurance

The fools who voted for Trump are proud of how poorly he's handling the economy and everything else. Imagine that. They voted for this disaster, and can own it.

 

Seemed like you wanted to have a substantive discussion. When I post a substantive response, this is what I get back.

Make some attempt to refute the point that Trump is morally bankrupt and human trash. Oh wait, you can’t.

Explain how Trumps desire to ignore court rulings and place himself above the judiciary is consistent with the constitution?
Again, you can’t.

So the response is from the Trumper bingo card: “fake news”, “trump derangement syndrome”, “unhinged”, something about “woke” or “wokism”.

Sure, you like what Trump is doing. And you have to convince yourself that his actions are somehow consistent with the Constitution, even though you can’t explain it in any sensible terms.

People are not equipped to deal with the fact that they support something pr someone that is unprincipled or immoral because that makes them look or feel bad. So you do what you do.

At least man up and say the ends is worth the poor means. Even if that is repugnant, at least it is intellectually honest.

 

The govt needs to be burned to the ground and rebuilt and no he's not acting like a dictator, he's implementing to policies that he said he would and 77 million people voted for this agenda.

As far as immigration goes, follow the law.

As far as voting with their wallets, inflation/gasoline/eggs/food prices are all down. This is what people voted for.

 

It is cute how you frame and justify Trumps actions based on Biden’s actions … that oh Biden was so bad Trump had no choice but to appoint loyalists, to pardon J6 criminals, to deport illegals. All complete nonsense, repeating the framing by Fox News.

I already embarrassed you on the point about how Trump had no choice but to appoint loyalists. That is simply laughable.

Regarding immigration, so much wrong and stupid. Trump has been railing about illegal immigrants since the 2016 Republican primary. Well before Covid. Well before Biden’s term.

Lump in crime, untaxed payments going home, use of infrastructure … all of it, and experts still conclude that the country benefits economically from exploiting illegal labor. Experts, not some “majority of Americans” you pulled out of your ass.

Flooded marginalized communities and diverting resources … you can’t read. I specifically said that the cost of illegal immigration should be shared equally across states and communities.

Lastly, you continue to proceed with no regard for logic or principle. You claim Biden wrecked flooded marginalized communities and diverted resources. If that is true, why are you “undoing a fraction” if this is such a disaster. Because it is pure performative crap, just like “they’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats.”

This is a decades long issue and to frame it as something from Biden’s term is just utter stupidity. The exploitation of illegal immigrant labor benefits the country and nobody actually wants to stop it. If Trump wanted to actually enforce immigration laws, he wouldn’t leave the illegal labor for hospitality and agriculture.

Nope, Trump and the republicans want to run on the issue, not fix it. It is far more useful to demonize brown people and call them rapists, murderers and criminals. MAGA loves that stuff. They need it like a drug. They love it in his rallies.

More and more nonsense in every post.

 

He's destroying agencies, giving tax breaks to billionaires, destroying our economy, and deporting people without due process? If this is what you voted for, you are insane. You just want to watch this country burn and you dont care about people. It doesnt seem like you align with your religious beliefs. A lot of those 77 million have no idea NO IDEA what they voted for, because they were not educated about the situation.

The government doesnt.

Thats a lie, like a HUGE lie. That just isnt true whatsoever.

 

Trump isn’t following the law. If he were, he would deport the illegal immigrants who provide cheap labor to this country. He is putting on a show for you and you love it. If you really wanted immigration laws to be enforced, you would be furious that Trump is making exceptions. Drag out all the brown people en masse. Not hard to do. Just have ICE hit farms and restaurants. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

You are correct about two things. Trump won because of inflation and he/Fox News convinced enough people that brown people are rapists, murderers and criminals ruining the country.

Inflation was real and that’s how people have always voted, even if a sitting president doesn’t really control inflation.
Immigration is a win by Fox News and Trump in their efforts to demonize brown people and have people blame them for what is wrong with the country. It doesn’t change the fact that nobody actually wants to enforce immigration laws and deport all illegal immigrants. It is far better for maga to be mad about it.

 

I dont think the charges they brought up against Trump were valid. It was just an attempt to keep the voters from being able to vote him in as POTUS.

The SCOTUS will ultimately decide these cases. I dont believe an appointed judge should be able to subvert what 77 million people voted for. Is that sensible enough for you to understand?

Are you saying there's not fake news going on? CNN/CBS have settled lawsuits because of their pushing of fake news.

Tell me what's immoral about Trump's policies, not the man?

Yes the ends (Which are legal, follow the laws) are worth the means. Either we're a nation of laws or we aren't. What Trump's currently doing when it comes to immigration is totally legal and what 77 million people voted for. You just dont like Trump's agenda and probably believe in open borders and cradle to grave govt assistance. I believe in self reliance and less govt in our lives. Also yes, I've been very poor in my life.

 

Just a coincidence I'm sure.



Far-right extremists celebrate, see opportunity in second Trump win

In a burst of hate and misogyny, MAGA militants cheered the return of a president they consider an ally.

Even before the race was called for Trump, triumphant messages began flowing on social media platforms across the spectrum of MAGA-aligned extremists. Anti-government militia groups, white nationalists, Proud Boys, Christian supremacists and QAnon-style conspiracy theorists all expressed a sense of jubilation mixed with an eagerness to exact vengeance on political opponents.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/07/right-wing-extremists-celebrate-trump-victory/

‘We love Hitler. We love Trump.’: White supremacists march through Howell

Group hung Nazi and KKK banners on highway overpass

https://michiganadvance.com/2024/07...rump-white-supremacists-march-through-howell/

 

I never discussed the charges against Trump, you did … because you don’t want to discuss Trump the man. You don’t want to discuss Trump the man because he is a piece of human trash. Keep sidestepping and talk about anything but that. You can’t refute it and won’t own up to it.

Sure SCOTUS will decide those cases and you can believe what you want to believe about the lower court. And that is just another sidestep and utterly irrelevant to the operative point - what does Trump believe and what are his actions? He believes he does not have to follow a court order and is taking active steps to legislate away separation of powers. Those are facts. And they are entirely inconsistent with the following the Constitution. You can’t claim to care about the Constitution and support Trump, at least not in a honest way. It is pretty simple.

Just be honest and say you don’t care that the president you support is human trash. Just be honest and say you don’t really care if he subverts the constitution.

By the way, here is a little class on law and reason for you: By your logic, Trump was elected by 77 million people, so nothing he does can be overridden by a judge, Right? Then the same holds true for all past and future presidents who were elected. Accordingly, all presidents are completely shielded from judicial decisions and the judiciary is entirely subservient to the presidency. This is the height of stupidity and completely contrary to the Consitution. Don’t be stupid and don’t apply stupid logic sold to you by Fox News. If you cannot understand this, you are completely lost.

Either we are a nation of laws or we aren’t - you want the laws enforced, are you banging the drum for him to deport all illegal immigrants? Are you mad he has said he won’t deport the ones who provide cheap labor? Just say what we all know - this country benefits from exploiting illegal immigrant labor and we also want to demonize the very people who provide it, but that’s ok because deporting some people and demonizing them all is good.

 

The single largest settlement for fake news is Fox News $700MM plus settlement with Dominion voting systems for their lies that votes were switched.

 

TLTR

I care more about policy than people.

The only other thing I will leave with you is, laws are made to be followed.

 

Is he deporting people? Are illegals complaining about being picked up at home Depot? He's following the law.

Is he doing exactly what he said he was going to do on the campaign trail?

 

Is he though?



LMAO at all you marks.

 

77 million know exactly what they voted for, you just don't like that Trump's carrying out what he said he was going to do on the campaign trail. I'm very happy with the job he's done so far.

BTW, he hasn't given one single person a tax break since he's become POTUS. You're lying or misinformed. You're a big government cradle to grave lib. I'm a guy who believes in self sufficiency. We're never going to agree.

 

Too cowardly to address substantive points. I will shorten it for you.

You say that the judiciary cannot override the vote of 77 million people. By your idiotic logic, the judiciary cannot touch any action by any past or future president because they were similarly elected by millions of people. Which means you do not believe in the separation of powers, a basic tent of the constitution. You can pretend to care about the constitution but it is complete BS.

Was that too long?

 

77 million people are morons, do you think just because you have a large amount of support you are right???? Hitler did too. You're happy for no reason, you dont have any facts behind you or in front of you. You're happy because you think this is sports, this isnt a game and you are irresponsible.

Bro have you read the bill hes trying to get through congress?????? Im a pragmaist, I want to do what works. You're way doesnt work. Its cruel and it doesnt get things done and historically never has. Conservatives through out history have been mostly useless and evil.

 

yes, he is deporting people.

I don’t know if illegals are complaining about being picked up at Home Depot. Maybe so? I’m not sure why it matters.

Is he following the law? When he wants to. Some deportations are legal. Others are not. I know that he believes that the judiciary should have no power to review his actions for legality. I know you purport to believe in the constitution, but agree with him that there should be no separation of powers, co equal branches of government and the resulting checks and balances spelled out in the constitution.

is he doing exactly what he said he would do? Sort of. He lied about not knowing about Project 2025 and he is executing it in his presidency. He is also doing many of the things he said he would do. You seem to believe that if he is doing what he said he would do, that there is some magic to that. There isn’t.

It doesn’t mean what he is doing is legal or consistent with the Constitution,

It just means MAGA is happy. Swing voters who voted for him might not be because they were too stupid to believe he would do what he said he would do. I bet most of them think he is an utter failure with his tariffs, TACO and all.

Again, you seem to believe that Trump doing what he said he would do means something magical. It doesn’t. 77 million people voting for him does not mean he is above judicial review, no matter how many times you say it does.

 

There is some truth to this - as Obama said, there are consequences for elections.

Donald Trump won the election and even narrowly won the popular vote - the people spoke and he is President. However that doesn't mean that he gets to violate the Constitution or bedrock US principles like Due Process and H. Corpus.

As for the next 3.5 years - it is hard to know, it could be 8 years --- or the Republicans could get trounced in 2026 and leave Trump as an impotent lame duck.

Politics in the USA right now is VERY volatile and changes very quickly.

 

Parts of Trump's agenda is very popular like increased border control and efforts to deport illegal aliens. Other parts like tariffs are very unpopular. Regardless, most of the issues I have with Trump is that he attempts to work around the Constitution. I believe you do not like him - he is very charismatic but he is not a very good person.

I agree - the Democrats and some Republicans in Washington wanted him in prison. Trump's actions did not help that - as he was far from a straight arrow.

Securing the borders? Yeah Trump definitely wants to do that - following the Constitution? Not at all, he has done more to undermine the Constitution than any President in modern times. He gives no ***** about the Constitution.

Some of his policies will certainly survive his time in office. He has been willing to address issues that other politicians have avoided and some of them are very popular. As far as continued support from the black and Hispanic community? I don't think that part will continue, but I think he will get more support from whites.

Violence in LA is a loser for those against Trump. Peaceful protest is a winner though. Trump is by far the most divisive politician in our lifetime.

The overwhelming majority of power brokers and decisions makers in the USA are white males. It is less than it was 20 years ago, and 50 years ago --- but the power is still in the hands of white men, for whatever that is worth.