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Things you are doing to fight the coup

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  1. ROCKSS

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    Hell, I thought the Home Depot by my work would be raided day 1.........................nope, there still there.
     
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    It's all about optics to the maga base, show some burning cars, waving Mexican flags and then add hyperbole from fox and you would think it was the Watts Riots, when in reality it was a fairly small protest that took up a few streets........................the marching orders today for all the mouth pieces was how the LA "riots" are worse than J6 which is laughable but the maga folks believe it.

    as much as a despise Newsom at least he is fighting.
     
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    Owl goal from the left.

    Leftwing riots are great for Republicans.
     
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    they extend to farms in Santa Barbara, in Ventura County, close to LA.

    Most of Calif’s farmland are in the San Joaquin Valley, in central CA; so far, they’re spared from the ICE raids
    cos they’re not close to a major metro area, where Trump’s political stunts receive more media coverage
     
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    AS THE ICE PROTESTS IN LOS ANGELES morphed into a playground for Donald Trump’s authoritarian fantasies, Democratic party officials watched in horror.

    They were outraged at Trump’s use of the National Guard, his administration’s callous targeting of immigrant garment workers and day laborers, and his clear desire to stoke chaos and rile up (mostly) peaceful protesters. But they were also concerned about how, or even if, their copartisans would confront Trump over the situation in Los Angeles.

    The worst of those fears haven’t been realized. But numerous Democratic officials over the past few days have relayed a related anxiety: Democrats remain unable to unite around a single, effective countermessage about Trump’s trampling of L.A.

    Lawmakers in D.C. told us that they have not received concrete guidance from leadership about how best to talk about what is happening. A Tuesday morning House Democratic Caucus meeting meant to get the party on the same page left some members underwhelmed. One aide characterized it as “boring” with no forward movement.

    A prominent immigration advocate told The Bulwark that Democratic leaders are “all over the place.” Other Democratic advocates and strategists who joined a regularly scheduled Monday meeting with Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries’s staff gave mixed reviews on the clarity coming from his office. Some said there wasn’t any specific guidance offered and others said they discussed the need to condemn violence and frame the situation as a distraction from issues like the economy, health care, and the president’s plan to kick millions of people off Medicaid.

    Jeffries has decried Trump’s actions, including in a Tuesday appearance on the Philip DeFranco Show. But even in that interview, he acted as though the mass deportations, ICE raids, and crackdown on protests were not the most pressing crisis of the moment but a sideshow: Trump, he said, “wanted to change the subject to distract the American people” from the debate over his Big Beautiful Bill.

    Christie Stephenson, a spokesperson for Jeffries, insisted he is fully engaged with the ICE crisis. “As Leader Jeffries has repeatedly said and demonstrated, we are in a ‘more is more’ environment—fighting this reckless administration and the rubber-stamp Republicans in the House at every turn,” she told The Bulwark. “From Trump’s abuse of power in California to the One Big Ugly Bill, House Democrats are forcefully speaking out on all of the above. Any suggestion that this office has said anything otherwise is simply false.”

    Elsewhere, high-profile Democrats have barely hid their desire to see a more assertive stance from leaders in the party, welcoming California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s speechTuesday in which he warned that “democracy is under assault before our eyes.”

    “With an autocrat, we don’t get to choose the battlefields to fight on,” said Neera Tanden, the president of the Center for American Progress—which sent a memo to party leaders this week arguing that very case. “That means making the convincing case on why it’s wrong to call the Marines on their fellow Americans in an American city. Make the case vociferously. And persuade the country that Trump is wrong.”

    The diverging approaches and bubbling frustrations attest to the unease many Democrats continue to feel in conversations about immigration. It’s also highlighted that the Democratic party remains in disagreement over how much urgency and alarm it should offer in response to what many believe is an existential threat to American democracy.

    The urgency of the moment left the Congressional Hispanic Caucus so distraught that they called an emergency meeting late Sunday night to figure out what their public response should be. According to two CHC members and an aide familiar with the meeting, a consensus emerged among participants: Trump was using mass deportations as a tool to test the limits of the power of the executive branch—and he was deliberately trying to provoke a Democratic response. Many members walked away with a belief that the party needed to make the stakes of Trump’s actions clear to the public, and quickly.

    I can’t stand these weak, pathetic, worthless losers
     
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    “We have to have a prevailing countermessage that is rooted in who we are as a country,” a member of Congress told The Bulwark, echoing a theme from Newsom’s speech. “They’re going to keep pushing the envelope, and where the American people need to be alert and aware is the overreach will eventually touch them.”

    A second CHC member told The Bulwark: “Democrats aren’t going to be able to wish away the news coverage that for the last few days has been dominating the news cycle, simply because we decide we have nothing to say.”

    Those convictions were palpable during a Tuesday press conference with leaders from the Congressional Black Caucus, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, and the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus. CBC chair Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.) called Trump’s actions “unlawful.” Asked if they rose to the level of “impeachable offenses,” she didn’t back down.

    “I believe it is,” she said. “But we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it.”

    ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CAPITOL, prominent Democrats sound more like Jeffries than Clarke. Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Sen. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) claim Trump is using the situation in L.A. to distract from his squabble with Elon Musk and a tax bill that would rip health care from 17 million people.

    “It’s Medicaid Monday, don’t let Trump distract you from what he is trying to do. Cut millions [of people] from Medicaid to pay for tax cuts for the rich,” Gallego postedon social media. Similarly, in an interview with MSNBC, Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) said that while Trump’s actions were alarming, people need to focus on the Medicaid cuts. In his view, the L.A. situation is “probably also a distraction from the main story.”

    Some Democrats who spoke with The Bulwark said they weren’t fretting about the lack of a consolidated message. But others fear that their party’s differing approaches to the issue would allow Trump to continue to dominate the debate. They worry that the lack of unity reflects the Democratic party’s habit of relying on polls and consultants to guide them on what battles to pick rather than tackling the debates directly in front of them. And their concern is that unless party leaders all sing from the same hymnal, Americans won’t hear their warning about Trump’s creeping (or sprinting) authoritarianism.

    Julie Chávez Rodriguez, who was a senior adviser to Joe Biden, served on the leadership team for Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign, and now advises Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, underscored the importance of intraparty unity on the subject of immigration. She praised Newark Mayor Ras Baraka before chiding Democratic leaders who are reacting tepidly.

    “That, to me, is very powerful and something we need to continue to cultivate,” she said in reference to Baraka’s arrest and brief detention by federal officials while protesting at an ICE facility last month. “Some in leadership may think this is a distraction, but a hell of a lot of others are seeing this moment as a moment of solidarity.”

    As Democrats continue to struggle to find their footing, Trump is not backing down. Despite Newsom’s fierce opposition, Trump on Tuesday plowed ahead with his threat to send marines to Los Angeles—a significant escalation.

    The idea that this could spread beyond California has clearly worried Democratic governors, all of whom issued a joint statement condemning Trump’s actions as “an alarming abuse of power” and “ineffective and dangerous.” So some Democrats, far from seeing Trump’s actions in Los Angeles as a distraction, see them as inherently dangerous and worth opposing.

    Colorado Rep. Jason Crow said that there was a perception that the Democratic party was “weak” in part because of its tendency to overthink certain issues and not pick fights when it matters.

    “I’m somebody that feels like if there’s something that needs to be said or an argument you need to have . . . then have it with strength and conviction and don’t back down,” Crow said in an interview with The Bulwark. “Let’s weigh in and have the fight.”
     
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    Newsom 2028 for President Brah confirmed.
     
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    say what u want about him, but at least he’s being aggressive and actually fighting back

    the rest of the losers are waiting for their consultants and focus groups to tell them what to say because they believe in nothing and are weak pushovers
     
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    Politics in America have shifted pretty far right in the last 35 years. So you have ultra-conservative Rs (GOP) and moderate R's (Corporate Dems). Every dem president from Clinton on was a corporate Dem. It's pick your poison and which corporate interests to vote for at this point.

    I mean, I'll take it, some democracy is better than none, but America need a real shakeup before 99% of people get their heads out of their asses. Pain is the best teacher.
     
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