I love FVV. I just believe he has satisfied the need for him. Resigned? Shirley seems we’re resigned to that inevitability. I can ‘live’ with a 3 yr deal, $22, 21, 20 (small guarantee on 3rd year TO). Think the FO cares what I’ll live with? Nah, neither do l…
I’m all for letting FVV go, but not to watch Amen Thompson or Reed Sheppard fail at being a legitimate starting PG or replacing him with washed geriatric Jrue Holiday
forgetting cost, IMO Jrue has alotta hoops left. He played hurt much of the last couple of months. Amen & Reed may be the future at the Point, but neither is the present. Thus and so, I ‘i’deally favor a 1 year extension, 2 at most (particularly in a tradeable format). Let’s just say..FVV we’re a UFA this year. Where does he beat an exceptional, 12 or so? So, more than 20 from Rox is silly $.
But they can pick up the option and trade him somewhere that he has no say over. No guarantees that he will be in any better position next summer.
Jrue isn't worth his around 35+ Million owed the next few years and has significantly fallen off and will turn 35 in a few days. Even if you compare him to now 40 year old Chris Paul, they are about the same as players impact wise and Paul is getting 10 million. Paul even played 82 games vs Jrue's 62. You get championship experience but I'd much rather have FVV at a fair deal for price and length.
If the Rockets pay FVV something higher than what I said in previous post, say 3yr/$75mil, and between Tari and Jabari extend for a combined $45mil/yr, and spend their full MLE at $15mil/yr, they will be in luxury tax next year and closing in on the second apron 2 years into the future without any other moves. It's uncertain how far into the luxury tax Tilman will go, but we do know he had CP3 and Harden on a team and didn't use the MLE, so he definitely has a budget and it probably isn't anywhere close to 2nd apron money. If the Rockets are paying FVV for a third year in this deal, that would take them into the Amen extension which would easily push them into 2nd apron territory, unless they jettison a big contract. So it's a bit presumptuous right now to say the Rockets can overpay FVV because it's only extra money from Tilman's pocketbooks.
Here’s a comp: In the 2021 offseason an older small guard for a young competitive team, Chris Paul, compromised with the Suns on $120M/4 with a non guarantee on the 4th year. That was 26% of the cap. He was 5th place in NBA MVP voting, an All-Star, and 2nd team All NBA the season prior; averaging 18/9/4 on 50/40/93 shooting splits and taking PHX to game 6 of the finals. FVV on $100M/3 would be 22% of the cap. He just averaged 14/5/4 on 37/34/81 splits and wouldn’t have finished top 5 in Houston Rockets MVP voting. How does that CP3 season get 26% of the cap and this FVV season get 22% of the cap?
Paying FVV that much money will significantly put a ceiling on on the team and limit their potential he was already showing signs of decline dunno what the front office is thinking
CP3 and Mike Conley are just old but they don't go out and demand ludicrous contracts. FVV is a SG in a miniature PG's body, yes he can run things but a major part of his game is making shots and missing shots. Meanwhile Tyus Jones was signed to a vet minimum deal.
Instead of arguing what FVV is worth on the Rox why dont you look at what he would be worth on the open market? I cant see any other team offering more than 20 for FVV like which team will want him and offer big bucks?
money is money we could use that on somebody else like Steven Adams. Which team will try to outbid the Rox for FVV? Lets see some names so we can see what they can offer FVV.
I think a declining deal makes sense for both sides 3 yr for 75m deal where the first year is 30m, 2nd yr is 25m and 3rd year is a PO for 20m. Or maybe even up to… 3 yr for 85m deal where the first year is 33m, 2nd yr is 27m and 3rd year is a PO for 25m.
