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Republicans raise the debt ceiling by 4 trillion while kicking millions off insurance

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, May 12, 2025.

  1. raining threes

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    Could be this way, but the HB 1 Visa's have helped with this in the past and will in the future. What you're describing is a hypothetical bridge that I'm more than willing to cross when that time gets here.

    If watermelons go up from 5.00 to 10.00 that's the cost of cleaning up the mess the Biden administration made. BTW, I grew up in the country outside of Houston and there were several watermelon fields there. No hispanics were picking watermelons.

    The farm I grew up on we had 5 acres of corn and 5 acres of purple hull peas. Guess who picked them. My buddy and me, 5.00 a bushel. Picked around 4 of those a day and had plenty of money to take our GF's to a movie on Friday nights in the 6-8th grades.
     
  2. raining threes

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    Trump was wrong on this.

    Still doesn't mean the DOGE cuts dont need to be Codified.
     
  3. HP3

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    You keep pushing this “pain now for a better future” narrative, but there’s no proof it leads to anything better — especially when the pain is dumped on working families while the wealthy skate by untouched.

    As for codifying the DOGE cuts — let’s be honest: they didn’t save money. Independent analyses show the supposed “savings” were largely smoke and mirrors. The cuts promised trillions, then billions, but ended up costing more in implementation, layoffs, and downstream effects. Meanwhile, federal spending continued rising — especially due to higher interest payments and mandatory programs.

    Asking if I personally suffered under Trump misses the point. Millions did — in real, tangible ways. Policy isn’t measured by how it affects your friends; it’s measured by how it affects the country.

    If you really care about the future, stop defending short-sighted austerity that doesn’t fix the deficit and starts by hurting the most vulnerable. Responsible fiscal policy means growing the economy, fixing the tax code, and investing wisely — not just swinging an axe and calling it vision.
     
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    This is if you believe the numbers that the CBO is putting out. Any cut is a good cut at this point.
     
  5. raining threes

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    Are the workers that are getting the no tax on tips/overtime wealthy? Because this bill is good for them.

    Like I said any cut is a good cut. Tell me have you been affected in anyway by the proposed Doge cuts? Obiviously the answer is no and most Americans fall into this category. Remember these cuts are suggestions not yet laws, although they should be laws.

    The last paragraph is a bunch of BS unless you believe a balanced budget is a bad thing. If you really want to fix the budget issues then keep the tariffs in place, put the American 1st policy in place and go to a flat/fair tax plan.

    Will this ever happen, not a chance because of guys that believe like you do. But it would solve the issues.
     
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  6. HP3

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    So let me get this straight — you don’t believe the Congressional Budget Office because… feelings? The CBO’s not perfect, but it’s literally the nonpartisan baseline both parties use to score bills. Just tossing it aside because it tells you things you don’t like is not serious policy — it’s cope.

    And blaming Powell for not cutting rates right now? That’s not how monetary policy works. Inflation’s still above target, and the Fed’s job isn’t to juice your business margins — it’s to stabilize the economy. Crying ‘political motives’ because the Fed won’t act on your timeline is just projection. Powell’s term runs to May 2026, and the Fed is independent by design.

    Bottom line: you want to wave off fiscal projections, accuse the Fed of conspiracy, and ignore the fact that Republicans are adding to the debt while slashing programs. That’s not 'future-focused' — that’s delusion dressed up as discipline.
     
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    I have no reason not to believe them and neither do you.
     
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    I’m not against tax relief on tips — that helps some. But let’s not pretend that offsets the damage from codifying the full DOGE cuts, which target core programs like Medicaid and SNAP.

    You can’t call that “helping workers” when the net effect is millions losing basic support. That’s not a vision for the future — it’s a shell game. Real fiscal responsibility means fixing the system without gutting the people who rely on it most.
     
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    Some folks believe Trump and Musk would never lie to them, and everyone they say are the bad guys must be true. Like those two really care about lifting up the poor and middle class. I mean, we're talking about a druggy billionaire and a pathological lying grifting con at that. Trump is doing what he set out to do, escape his convictions and make billions off his presidency. He's raking in over a billion a month so far off his shady crypto and bribes. Between all the sporting events he's attended and all his trips to his properties where he takes bribes for favors it's crazy. The taxpayers foot the bill. He's even accepting personal deals for favors abroad. It's all about him. In fact, it's like last term amplified on steroids. He feels invincible to the law now.

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    When have H-1B visa holders ever picked watermelon crops? Here's what an H-1B is:

    These people have never picked crops.
     
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    The problem is that he won't change. It's not just the Medicare fraudsters. The list of his pardons this year are a huge red flag that his pardons and appointments can be bought by big donations to him. That's flat out corruption and abuse of power. He should be impeached. In fact, he should have been impeached after Jan 6th.
     
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    He's confusing migrant workers with visa holders. A lot of farms, construction companies, factories, manufacturing plants, lawn companies, and other businesses would go out of business if they had to pay minimum wage or more to Americans doing the jobs they have been paying illegal immigrants to do for less. Americans aren't gonna be jumping through hoops to fill those type vacancies and work those hours and conditions to barely scrape by, especially if those jobs don't offer good benefits, healthcare, vacation, and paid personal time off.
     
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    No it isn't the same.
     
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    LOL Trump is shutting down OSHA offices ( https://prospect.org/labor/2025-04-18-osha-office-closure-cancer-alley-louisiana/ ) , gutting the NLRB to make it pro employer and harder to unionize while removing workplace protections lol.

    The idea that Trump cares about workers is hilarious. Yall need to quit getting gaslight by the cultists
     
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    Look at the Nikola founder Travis Milton who was ordered to pay tens of millions in compensation to his victims he defrauded to enrich himself. He donates 2 millions dollars to Trump and suddenly he gets pardoned and the victims are left broke.

    You can find 20 different cases just like Mr Milton. The maga cultists dont care
     
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  17. raining threes

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    Maybe people that cant read and understand the student loan paperwork. Not everybody should be going to college or are college material. The Congressman had it right, regardless of whether he paid back his PPP loan. BTW, he should be doing jail time. I do agree with one thing, the cost of a college education is outrageous and colleges should help bare the burden of their decisions to screw people over. As far as the old people taking out loans for their kids/grandkids they have to know that a reverse mortgage is in their future to payoff that debt.

    College loans are nothing but choices. If you choose to take one out know the risks/perils that are in your future.
     
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    I'm not saying we shouldn't give money to Israel, they're our most trusted ally in the region, but that number is ridiculous.
     
  19. AkeemTheDreem86

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    Can't argue it's not a high number, but gastroenterologists are reeeeeally expensive these days.
     
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    You want to impress me by cutting spending how about slashing the military budget in half. We all know the money doesn't go to the troops it goes to the weapons manufacters and their ceo's that grease the pockets of all the politicians.
     

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