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Did Sacramento make the biggest mistake ever?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hlmbasketball, Jun 5, 2025.

  1. Hemingway

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    I can remember when Carlisle was considered a defensive coach only. Hopefully, Ime can broaden his horizons and become a well rounded coach like Carlisle.
     
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    Fox has shown flashes and to trade him over Halliburton would be a mistake!

    - Sacramento Kings (January 2022)
     
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    I am a certified Russ hater, but I don't think the CP3 trade rises to that level of awfulness based on what was known at the time. Not many people predicted CP3 would totally change his diet and bounce back the way he did. It was still pretty stupid, I'm just saying it wasn't "one of the worst trades of all time" bad. At the time I was pretty ambivalent about it, with my thinking being "doesn't seem like it'll work, but CP3 is washed anyway so might as well try it." Of course, I was very wrong!
     
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    That was a trade that even at the time it was completely obvious that it would destroy the team. Harden forced it to happen because he didn't like CP3 pushing him to be a professional.

    It was one of the worst trades in the history of sport since it turned one of the best NBA teams ever assembled into a tanking team. That one move unraveled everything.

    Let's not sugar coat it.
     
  6. astrosrule

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    Even if cp3 was declining and all that he was still better than russ, and on a shorter/better contract. It was a rare trade where it was a clear F- for one side, and it actually worked out WAY better for the rockets than anyone could have thought possible.
     
  7. shakes05

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    That's false. Rick Carlisle has always been a well-rounded coach...he had a great top-assistant coach in Dwayne Casey who was credited for implementing those great defensive schemes for the Dallas Mavericks.
    Udoka built his coaching staff with younger former players (not NBA) who are scrappy just like him. The team/personnel is built like the personality of their head coach in Udoka.
    I'm starting to come in agreement with most people in this forum that Udoka needs to evolve and become more adaptable within in-game adjustments...we need to capitalize with our youthful roster.
    Rick Carlisle is going 10-deep rotation and putting pressure on teams to score because of their pace of play...Rick Carlisle is maximizing his team's strength which is youth, speed, and pace.
    Our roster is young, athletic, and deep enough to run 9/10 man rotation...we're not a great halfcourt set team so Udoka needs to make us play faster next year. Thats why the Pacers are successful during this playoff run -> making teams run and play their pace. When opponents try slowing the game down in the 4th, the Pacers played even faster...its kinda mental in a way. When you slow down the game, you become more calculative with your shots whereas playing faster you're playing more free-will and in rhythm.
     
  8. utgrad97

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    Nah, because Jalen will never be the shooter and playmaker Haliburton is, and he has shown that ability every season. His problem has been staying on the court. Haliburton is the exact opposite player from Jalen Green. Very efficient but injury prone vs. very inefficient but healthy.

    Sacramento's problem was they drafted PGs in three straight drafts instead of committing to Haliburton and building a team around him.
     
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    They had already committed to Fox, who showed flashes and was "only 23" so they let Halliburton go.
     
  10. Salvy

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    Jalen Green is the next super star of the NBA...
     
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    Jalen has not
    I think Carlisle has been considered a brilliant overall coach for a long time. He overachieved with the Pistons. He led the 2011 Mavericks into one of the greatest championship runs in history. A team with Dirk and bunch of role players ran over the Kobe-Lakers, loaded KD Thunder and then defeated the Lebron dream team. I followed the Mavericks some as I always liked Nowitzki. Carlisle kept the Mavericks competitive almost every season despite Mark Cuban choking the roster with new free agency failures every off-season. Carlisle is an amazing coach and it was another Cuban blunder that made Carlisle feel like he was better off changing zip codes.

    It's no surprise that he's helped make the Pacers great. I think he and Spoelstra are the two best and most proven active coaches in the NBA. Hopefully Ime is watching and taking some notes during this Finals. These are two incredibly well-coached teams. It's just beautiful basketball.
     
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    Having a coach who knows how to use a player is a big part of success, especially if you have unique players. It is quite possible that if hali stayed with kings he wouldn't have become the player he is today.

    Relating to this to the rockets, it is one of the reasons I suspect Ime is a coach that would be successful carrying teams to playoff success. He is an excellent coach to take teams from bottom to playoff level, maybe to conference finals, but having strict ways is usually not a recipe for success from that point on.
     
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    Yep, I'm starting to see that especially in these playoffs...that's what separates good coaches from great coaches!
     
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    so if indy win the chip can we stfu about the east/west imbalance?
     
  15. AlperenSengun

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    No, because it is after all one series. Pacers is the underdog here, but even if the east had one very strong team, that wouldn't change the fact that overall west is much stronger.

    It would be great if the playoffs did not have conferences, number 1 of the conferences play randomly one of the number 8's etc.
     
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    Haliburton praises God, Jalen praises Rodman.
     
  17. Prince_Hakeem

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    Nearly everyone on this board can run that franchise better. The moves they have made over the past ten years are bafflingly stupid and short sighted. By far the worst franchise in sports…
     
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    Lol rockets don’t have shooters or guys that can score!!!!!! That’s not Ime’s fault. He did the best with what he had and led the Rockets to the second seed in the west!
     
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    A lot of it is also the culture and the coaching. I'd argue that Haliburton wouldn't have reached his potential in the toxic situation that is Sacramento. There is constant coaching changes and the GM makes terrible moves trading for pieces that are aging.

    All this series proves to me is that Rick Carlise is an underrated coach who deserves his flowers. This indiana team doesn't have a single superstar on it and most of them (Myles Turner) have been in trade rumors for years.
     
  20. Patience

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    Yeah, I’m not buying Haliburton as a “system player” unless the system is “give it to Haliburton and let him create and hit the game winning shot.”
     
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